Conventional vs Synthetic motor oil & filter questions
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Conventional vs Synthetic motor oil & filter questions
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Jun 7 2010, 11:52 AM
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Just to offer another viewpoint, a lot of people would say that conventional oil has come a long way, and that if you do frequent oil changes (with OEM filter), your engine will be just fine without synthetic. My Elantra is low mileage but there are some high mileage people who have always used conventional with no problems.
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Jun 7 2010, 06:28 PM
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Elantra Guru Group: Members Posts: 2,710 Posts Per Day: 0.41 Thanks Received: 59 Trader Stats: 0 (0%) Joined: 21-March 06 From: Hackettstown, NJ Member No.: 2,023 Mood: Accomplished |
it because some are really big on effective labor rates. hyundai does not pay the same in labor as the cash paying customer does. Not to mention that some dealerships have shitty techs that guess instead of diagnosing and the dealership has a high number of return vehicles and is close to audit numbers. hyundai has a national average for warranty work and what is exceptable, if your on the high side regardless if your complaint is legit or not they will fight to not do it so their dealership is not penalized. there are also buy back parts issues as well. your tech doest he wrong thing...you own that part and will not reembursed for it. so now you have to pay for the part and you dont get your labor paid for AND you have a pissed off tech becuse they didnt get paid.
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Jun 7 2010, 09:39 PM
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Jun 7 2010, 09:58 PM
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Jun 8 2010, 09:31 AM
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it because some are really big on effective labor rates. hyundai does not pay the same in labor as the cash paying customer does. Not to mention that some dealerships have shitty techs that guess instead of diagnosing and the dealership has a high number of return vehicles and is close to audit numbers. hyundai has a national average for warranty work and what is exceptable, if your on the high side regardless if your complaint is legit or not they will fight to not do it so their dealership is not penalized. there are also buy back parts issues as well. your tech doest he wrong thing...you own that part and will not reembursed for it. so now you have to pay for the part and you dont get your labor paid for AND you have a pissed off tech becuse they didnt get paid. Thanks for the explanation. I suspected that a lot of the problem with some dealership would lie with the quality of the techs they employ and how effective they are at diagnosing and fixing problems. A related issue seems to be the dealership's attitude toward customer service, whether they're interested only in short-term profits or more in building long-term relationships. It seems that the former type will hire the cheapest techs they can find and avoid warranty work like the plague, whereas the latter type hires the best people available and emphasizes serving their customers, knowing that if they treat people right, they will get and retain their business. I'm fortunate that my local dealer is the latter type. -------------------- Regards
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Jun 8 2010, 09:41 AM
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Just to offer another viewpoint, a lot of people would say that conventional oil has come a long way, and that if you do frequent oil changes (with OEM filter), your engine will be just fine without synthetic. My Elantra is low mileage but there are some high mileage people who have always used conventional with no problems. as long as you use a good filter and change the oil before it turns to sludge the Beta will run a very long time. Its a pretty durable little critter. -------------------- Founding Member of the Indiana Chapter of the Teeny Weeny Club for Secure Adult Males
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Jun 8 2010, 06:36 PM
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Elantra Guru Group: Members Posts: 2,710 Posts Per Day: 0.41 Thanks Received: 59 Trader Stats: 0 (0%) Joined: 21-March 06 From: Hackettstown, NJ Member No.: 2,023 Mood: Accomplished |
Thanks for the explanation. I suspected that a lot of the problem with some dealership would lie with the quality of the techs they employ and how effective they are at diagnosing and fixing problems. A related issue seems to be the dealership's attitude toward customer service, whether they're interested only in short-term profits or more in building long-term relationships. It seems that the former type will hire the cheapest techs they can find and avoid warranty work like the plague, whereas the latter type hires the best people available and emphasizes serving their customers, knowing that if they treat people right, they will get and retain their business. I'm fortunate that my local dealer is the latter type. exactly. I have worked for both types. the shitty techs and the service writers that jump down your back is realy a suck ass place to work or be a customer -------------------- |
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Jun 8 2010, 08:23 PM
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EClub Live Chat for Life! Group: Lifetimer Posts: 1,426 Posts Per Day: 0.27 Thanks Received: 126 Trader Stats: 2 (100%) Joined: 12-February 10 From: gone Member No.: 8,215 Mood: Sick |
Any thoughts on Mobil 1 filters?
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Jun 8 2010, 08:27 PM
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I use oem filters and they are $6.15 at my local dealership.
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Jun 9 2010, 06:43 AM
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Any thoughts on Mobil 1 filters? While I haven't used them myself, several people here have and the consensus seems to be that they're good filters, but rather expensive. I don't recall anyone reporting any problems. -------------------- Regards
Brian '04 Elantra GT 5 door, silver with: Tib Sway bar, TWM Shifter w/raised frame and custom leather boot, PCV Filter, Disabled Clutch Interlock, Clutchvavlectomy, Fram Drain Valve, Independent Fog Lights, Key Out Sunroof Mod, Cabin Air Filter, Ground Wire Buss, A/C defroster bypass |
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Jun 9 2010, 08:31 AM
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Well I went with the Mobil 1 oil and filter for my wife's TrailBlazer and I'm going to do the same for my car. I just got tired of researching and analyzing this whole time. Like Bobzilla said, if you use a good quality filter and oil and do the changes regularly there should be no issues....
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Jun 9 2010, 10:16 AM
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EClub Live Chat for Life! Group: Lifetimer Posts: 1,426 Posts Per Day: 0.27 Thanks Received: 126 Trader Stats: 2 (100%) Joined: 12-February 10 From: gone Member No.: 8,215 Mood: Sick |
While I haven't used them myself, several people here have and the consensus seems to be that they're good filters, but rather expensive. I don't recall anyone reporting any problems. AutoZone had a special where 5 qts of Mobil 1 and a Mobil 1 filter was $29.99 + tax. I figured that was a HUGE bargain, seeing as it's normally 7.49 per quart! -------------------- |
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