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Aug 4 2009, 02:23 PM
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![]() Club Regular Group: Members Posts: 30 Posts Per Day: 0.16 Joined: 4-August 09 From: Illinois Member No.: 7,487 Trader Rep: 0 (0%) Mood: Hopeful |
Disclaimer: This write-up neither is intended to offer a bullet-proof and exhaustive or "best" method to replace a faulty exhaust, nor to guarantee 100% success rate in all the instances. Do it at your own risk, please don't hold me liable for misleading you. With that being said, I would rate the job as a 5 on a 1-10 scale, provided you have all the tools needed.
Our Elantra 2.0 GLS (station wagon) developed in the last 4 months a bad exhaust leak, and became increasingly noisy. I decided to inspect the exhaust and I found the Header (Flex) pipe being the culprit. I initially tried to patch it up with some Exhaust System Joint and Crack Sealer (made by VersaChem), but it turned out that the "flex" section itself was cracked. The car has 93,000 miles so I decided it's time for a new cat + manifold as well, since they were relatively non-prohibitive cost wise. I ended up ordering the parts from RockAuto.com: --> DORMAN Part # 674551 - Combined Manifold & Converter Assembly - $ 151.89 ![]() - --> BOSAL Part # 751191 - Header (Flex) Pipe; Federal Emissions - $ 75.89 ![]() - --> BOSAL Part # 288011 - Resonator (Intermediary) Pipe; Federal Emissions- $ 113.79 ![]() - --> 2 x BOSAL Part # 256390 - Flange Gasket - 2 x 3.86 = $ 7.72 - --> 2 x BOSAL Part # 256398 - Flange Gasket - 2 x 2.79 = $ 5.58 The shipping was $ 32.86 for all these parts, and the total accounted for $ 387.73 ________________________________________________________________________________ The replacement procedure is fairly simple: take the old parts out, get the new parts in. The main hurdles are getting the old rusted flange nuts removed and also getting the PSteering Pump bracket out of the way so the manifold can slide off the studs. I started about 2-3 days before receiving the parts to get the exhaust and the manifold nuts soaked in PBlaster. Here are some pics with the old exhaust: ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ________________________________________________________________________________________ OK, here we go: 1) Remove the cat's heat shield, three bolts: ![]() 2) Disconnect and remove the upstream O2 sensor with a Lambda wrench ![]() ![]() 3) Now are at least two ways to tackle the next step, which is removing the Manifold + Cat. I started exactly with these two, thinking I can just drop them down and remove the whole exhaust in one piece. It isn't a bad idea, especially if the flange nuts between the Cat and the flex pipe are extremely corroded from rust and you cannot unbolt them. However, in retrospect I found out that probably it is better to separate the cat from the flex pipe, so that takes out any chance of nicking the manifold studs' threads from putting pressure on it. Even if cutting is involved, probabably this would be the "better" route. a) Anyway, I started removing the manifold nuts - 9 of them. ![]() At this point, the manifold would not slide out unless the Power Steering Pump bracket is removed. ![]() In any event, the accessory belt HAS to come off (loosened up) and the PS Pump moved out of the way, with or without bracket. ![]() ![]() ![]() -- Now the manifold can slide out unobstructed. ![]() With a little jiggling and angling, you should be able to slide down the "two" parts in between the rad fans and the engine block. Note: No matter what route is approached, either dropping down the Manifold + cat or lifting it up after sliding it off the studs, the oil dipstick housing needs to be moved out of the way. It only has one bolt fastening it to the engine block, and then you can turn it toward the PS Pump. __________________________________________________________________________________________ ____ B. The second way, as said, is to separate first the Cat flange from the flex pipe. ![]() ![]() I was LUCKY, the two nuts didn't put out too much opposition so I was able to remove them: ![]() ![]() ![]() -- I separated the Cat from the Flex pipe (with some prying involved as the two flanges were weld together due to rust), and dropped down (yepp, in between the radiator fans and engine block) the cat + manifold with some careful angling and tks to the PS Pump being out of the way: ![]() 4) I didn't bother with the nuts connecting the flex pipe to the resonator (intermediary) pipe as it was too rusted, and concentrated directly on the Resonator-Muffler flange. It really took 3-4 hours to wrestle those two nuts, as they were really rusted. Actually one of them from a 3/4 profile thinned out to about 5/8.... I broke a 5/8 6-point socket which I had to tap in to get a grip. I had to go to the store and get a 12-pt socket, which I didn't have. Finally, finally after so much wrestling (the position is also so difficult without having the car higher over your head) I was able to remove both bolts and drop the whole resonator-flex pipe assembly. ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() 5) Start assembly the new parts, use some anti-seize paste, and get them in the car. ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() -- And the last two nuts, by the muffler's connecting flange: ![]() I'm pretty sure I saved at least $ 350-400 over going to any kind of shop (indie or dealer) to replace all these 4 parts. It is a fun project (ok, minus the headache with the stubborn rusted flange nuts), and I'm pretty sure anyone mechanically inclined should be able to do it, provided the need arises. Last notes: Just as the same person who has a "OBX Header DIY" write-up in the DIY section, I got a CEL/MIL, and you may get one as well. Don't panic. I got mine within 5 miles after starting and driving the car. I went over my work, retighten all the nuts from the manifold and all the way to the muffler, rechecked the O2 sensors connectors, changed a couple of vacuum hoses and I also disconnected the battery for about 5 min. Upon restarting the car, the CEL was gone and never came back on. The exact codes I got (if you're interested to know) were: P0131, and P1128. Good luck and enjoy (if you ever need this mini-guide). John. -------------------- A proud member of the club.
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Aug 4 2009, 03:20 PM
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![]() ... Group: Leader Posts: 10,215 Posts Per Day: 5.51 Joined: 11-January 05 From: Poughkeepsie, NY Member No.: 5 Trader Rep: 8 (100%) Mood: Blah |
Great write up!!! Nice job with the pictures and quotes
It is so much better to replace most of the parts instead of trying save one piece or another. -------------------- ![]() 05 Tidal Wave GLS 5 spd ABS/TCS - Tib swaybar - Eibach Tib struts - Eibach XD springs |
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Aug 4 2009, 03:39 PM
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![]() Nanomember Group: Leader Posts: 6,772 Posts Per Day: 3.68 Joined: 27-January 05 From: College Park, MD Member No.: 106 Trader Rep: 1 (100%) Mood: Blah |
Awesome write-up! Seems the most time-consuming part was dealing with your rusty nuts. Can the old exhaust be sawed into pieces? What kind of tool would you use for that? and how much would it cost
-------------------- ![]() "We found frequencies we didn't even know existed!" - paranoid 'hacker' in Pulse. |
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Aug 4 2009, 05:20 PM
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![]() Driving a Couch Group: VIP Members Posts: 2,130 Posts Per Day: 1.71 Joined: 14-September 06 From: West Columbia, SC Member No.: 2,715 Trader Rep: 3 (100%) Mood: Depressed |
Wow, amazing write-up!
-------------------- Everything is good in moderation. Including moderation.
"You are young and there is only more to learn, how else can you truly understand how something works without breaking the absolute hell out of it ?" -shawn (sed) |
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Aug 4 2009, 11:13 PM
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Club Founder Group: Admin Posts: 12,612 Posts Per Day: 6.73 Joined: 23-December 04 From: Baltimore, MD Member No.: 1 Trader Rep: 10 (100%) Mood: Okay |
Best
First Post EVER!!! Welcome to EC btw. -------------------- |
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Aug 5 2009, 12:27 AM
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![]() Club Regular Group: Members Posts: 30 Posts Per Day: 0.16 Joined: 4-August 09 From: Illinois Member No.: 7,487 Trader Rep: 0 (0%) Mood: Hopeful |
Hello all and thanks for the wonderful ratings and welcome.
Indeed GT, I should have made a pit stop by the Intro section first. I'm glad I found this forum, as a couple of other forums don't have this large amount of Elantra specific info. Cobas: I would have probably attempted to only replace the flex (header) pipe which was leaking badly, but contemplating all the rust throughout the exhaust I told to myself that probably is the right time to give her some new "nostrils". Of course the old exhaust can be sawed into pieces. Actually only the flex pipe and the resonator (intermediary) pipe remained connected as those flange nuts in between them were way too rusted to spend too much time on them. The cat + manifold came out very easy. The header nuts being exposed all the time to heat don't really rust in the absence of water. At least that's my theory. With the flange nuts is a different issue, as they're exposed to heat and water, snow, etc. Going back to your question, probably you can do the job even with a hand hack saw using blades for metal (of course). The more expensive options: a metal cutting wheel you can attack to a drill; a Dremel with a cutting wheel, etc. It all depends on your budget. I don't possess any welding and/or cutting equipment, so I opted to get direct fit parts. I hope you found the answer you're looking for in my expanded blabbering. Cheers all. john This post has been edited by WillPartHyundai: Aug 5 2009, 12:29 AM -------------------- A proud member of the club.
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Aug 6 2009, 04:01 PM
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![]() Certified Badass Group: Lifetimer Plus! Posts: 436 Posts Per Day: 0.34 Joined: 4-August 06 From: Athens, WI Member No.: 2,537 Trader Rep: 0 (0%) Mood: Accomplished |
How long did it take you all together?
-------------------- Mechanical Engineer
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Aug 6 2009, 05:08 PM
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![]() Nanomember Group: Leader Posts: 6,772 Posts Per Day: 3.68 Joined: 27-January 05 From: College Park, MD Member No.: 106 Trader Rep: 1 (100%) Mood: Blah |
...wait, that was your first post?? Wow. Uh... welcome!
-------------------- ![]() "We found frequencies we didn't even know existed!" - paranoid 'hacker' in Pulse. |
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Aug 6 2009, 05:57 PM
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"Stock" Car Driver Group: Lifetimer Plus! Posts: 361 Posts Per Day: 1.22 Joined: 20-April 09 From: Richmond, VA Member No.: 7,135 Trader Rep: 0 (0%) Mood: Accomplished |
I would have probably attempted to only replace the flex (header) pipe which was leaking badly, but contemplating all the rust throughout the exhaust I told to myself that probably is the right time to give her some new "nostrils". Are you sure that nostril is the right body part to describe the exhaust? I'm thinking of something else! -------------------- A proud member of the club.
"Last of the XDs." 2006 GLS, manual transmission, aftermarket wheels, aftermarket head-unit. |
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Aug 7 2009, 08:15 AM
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![]() Club Regular Group: Members Posts: 30 Posts Per Day: 0.16 Joined: 4-August 09 From: Illinois Member No.: 7,487 Trader Rep: 0 (0%) Mood: Hopeful |
How long did it take you all together? I started about noon and I finished by 8 PM. However, half of that time was effectively spent going to the store to get yet more tools, or trying to figure out how exactly I'll get the rusted nuts out. Is not really a hard job, trust me. The hardest part for me actually was getting under the car Are you sure that nostril is the right body part to describe the exhaust? I'm thinking of something else! For some reason I got the sense that I landed in the right place. Why did I feel someone is going to tax my epithet as a good occasion for a little jestering? you guys are great -------------------- A proud member of the club.
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Aug 7 2009, 05:27 PM
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Club Regular Group: Members Posts: 65 Posts Per Day: 0.14 Joined: 20-October 08 From: Tennessee Member No.: 6,606 Trader Rep: 0 (0%) Mood: Accomplished |
good work-mine is also a 2000(not wagon),when i had to repair my flex i heated the stud/nut-i don't think it would've come off without breaking otherwise-it was STUCK.again very good post.
-------------------- A proud member of the club.
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