New ethanol mandate could damage vehicles Options

[jamhandman]

Yeah I can tell

I've always through about getting in to government... but just not sure how to start.. hmmm... I just can't picture a normal person getting in to politics...

[slowgls]

Our government is being hypocritical here. They're constantly saying how cars need to get more MPG, right? Yet, this ethanol garbage is much more inefficient than "real gas". I've read some claims that mileage could be 20% lower with this corn crud. It seems to me this really is about is giving farmers a helping hand and that's all well and good but give me the choice of what I can put into my car's gas tank. It's ridiculous that virtually no one sells non-ethanol gasoline. And why is it that the government allows the gas companies to charge rip off prices for this diluted, useless and harmful product? Government for the people? Hmmm... I think that concept ended a long time ago. This whole thing pisses me off big time. Can you tell?

Amen Brother!!!!

[Vinnie]

[Silentwolf]

Maybe we should get a petition going to the EPA.......

[Gannam]

I can't remember where I read the report, but it basically stated that if we get rid of all petroleum fuel and used bio-fuels instead, the world would hit a food shortage in about 5 years. (Memory might be off on the timeline, but I remember that it was ridiculously short.) The food shortage would be because of a fertilizer shortage...specifically phosphorous. (Again, if memory serves me correctly, it was phosphorous.) We would run out of P and not be able to grow many crops dependent on the soil's P contents being replenished. I'll see if I can find the report and will post a link if I locate it.

(rant) There's also a shortage of Helium. The US has the world's largest stockpile of He and has been trying to get rid of it since 1996. They have been depleting the stockpile with the idea that the $1.3 billion spent obtaining it, would be recouped. If He was sold at true market value, a single balloon would cost over $1000. He is used to run MRI machines, to keep them cool, and to manufacture optical fibers and microchips. Once the stockpile is gone, it's gone. He can be collected from the upper atmosphere, but at a prohibitive cost. HERE's a story concerning the U.S. House passing a bill that will "head off" the massive shortage. After reading through it, it appears to only delay the inevitable. (/rant)

[Doohickie]

on the V forum, we have dyno charts proving how much of an efficiency loss and mileage loss running e10, and e15 over straight 87 octane gas. it is significant.

Yep. I haven't gotten the same mileage since they got rid of MTBE and replaced it with ethanol.


"E-15 has been sold in this country for the past nine months with no issues whatsoever. This is a lot of hysteria that's being driven by the oil companies"

Nine months isn't nearly long enough to trigger corrosion-related issues. Sorry, that statement is BS.


"Ethanol supporters dispute that and claim studies back them up. Ethanol blends of 25 percent have been used for years in Brazil with no ill effects on the same cars sold in the U.S."

The devil is in the details. When they say "the same cars sold in the U.S.," are they talking about every component in the fuel system is identical? Are they referring to flex fuel vehicles designed to burn blends up to 85% ethanol? Unless they can back that up with hard definitions, born out by facts, that statement is BS too.