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> Might get into a Hyundai again... maybe
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post Mar 1 2013, 11:48 AM
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Hey guys! I might find my way into another Hyundai sometime later this year. I've been looking into getting a hybrid (not Hyundai's), but found out that I had to drop too many of my requirements (light towing is one of them) for savings of maybe 1000 to 1500 a year in gas. I've had a look at the new RAV4, said yuck! when I saw it in person, I find the Mazda CUV on the small side (and they have TPMS which I'll avoid as long as I can), I like the look and size of the Chevy Equinox, but it's getting to the end of its life and most reviewers hate it with a passion. I find the new Santa Fe more and more attractive as a package (I'd get a basic FWD w/2.4 engine). It sucks that most online reviews are for the top-of-the-line 2.0T engine....

I figure I might give the Equinox a test drive; if I don't hate it, I'm in a position to get a fairly good deal late in the year (unused GM points available, plus it probably doesn't sell as well as the Santa Fe). Otherwise, the Santa Fe might be the one; I haven't driven any of the two yet, as I'm not ready to make a move yet. No payments is a good place to be right now...

So I have a question: is the 2.4L Theta II GDI chain driven or belt driven for timing? I'm pretty sure it's a chain, but....

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post Mar 1 2013, 11:56 AM
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I would suggest a 6 cyl Tucson.
The new Santa fe is nice but just like the Tucson better.


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post Mar 1 2013, 12:53 PM
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QUOTE (FurunoFan @ Mar 1 2013, 11:56 AM) *
I would suggest a 6 cyl Tucson.
The new Santa fe is nice but just like the Tucson better.


1) No V6 available in 2013
2) Smaller, and cost the same price as the Santa Fe when similarly equipped
3) Virtually no difference in mileage (1 to 2 mpg max)
4) I don't like the styling

I think that settles it.

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post Mar 1 2013, 01:02 PM
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ALL Theta's are chain driven. Actually, Hyundai no longer has an engine with a belt any more. Everything is chain driven now.


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QUOTE (Bobzilla @ Mar 1 2013, 01:02 PM) *
ALL Theta's are chain driven. Actually, Hyundai no longer has an engine with a belt any more. Everything is chain driven now.


Good. That's what I wanted to hear.

Dropped by the dealership during lunchtime; they look even better in person. I guess that they expect to sell way more 2.0T models than the base 2.4; I'd quickly estimate a ratio of 10 to 1 in the yard between the 2. Or is it maybe that they can't keep the 2.4 long enough in stock?

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The Sante Fes are sexy as hell fot an suv definitely go ffor it!


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Honestly, if I could afford it I would trade my Elantra in for the new Santa Fe. I seriously love how it looks and everything it offers!!


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Okay...Scratch that... the Tucson I drove with a 4 Cyl in 2005 was under powered, and not worth having. I had a 6 cyl and loved it. If they only have a 4 cyl for 2013; then I would kick up for the Santa Fe.


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QUOTE (FurunoFan @ Mar 1 2013, 03:46 PM) *
Okay...Scratch that... the Tucson I drove with a 4 Cyl in 2005 was under powered, and not worth having. I had a 6 cyl and loved it. If they only have a 4 cyl for 2013; then I would kick up for the Santa Fe.


That's like saying you drove a 2000 Accent 1.5L and hated it so if they are still putting 4cyl in the accent, it's bad.

The new Tucson uses the newer Theta II making almost 200hp, compared to the old Tucson that was powered by the old 2.0L Beta making 136hp. Completely different vehicles. The new Tucson's 4 cyl makes more power than the old Tucson's shitty Delta V6.


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post Mar 1 2013, 04:33 PM
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QUOTE (Bobzilla @ Mar 1 2013, 04:02 PM) *
The new Tucson uses the newer Theta II making almost 200hp, compared to the old Tucson that was powered by the old 2.0L Beta making 136hp. Completely different vehicles. The new Tucson's 4 cyl makes more power than the old Tucson's shitty Delta V6.


The 2.4 in the current Tucson is the same as the base 2.4 in the current Santa Fe, so I would assume that the Tucson, being lighter, would feel peppier. But I'm not buying a race car. I currently drive a 2.2 / 150 hp with a 4 speed automatic and feel completely fine with it. In fact, most of the time I have someone in front of me not moving fast enough. I don't know if it's Ottawa traffic, but I'm always amazed at the amount of time it takes for people to get moving at a green light... so raw power gets you nowhere around here, or I should say that it might get you faster to a police cruiser.

Anyway, I'll be fine with 190 hp. More is not always better. What I need is space, affordability and reliability.

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post Mar 8 2013, 08:06 PM
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I test drove the Equinox today; they had a "special two day sale" with incredible deals to get you in, so I said why not see what kind of deals they offer. It's not a bad ride, feels very solid and stable, it's so easy to forget how fast you are going, as I found out on the first highway exit that I took. The suspension is firm, power is OK; probably barely sufficient when the truck is loaded. All-in-all, I could live with it, mainly because I like the engine & transmission family, it's relatively spacious and has good fuel economy numbers. So I walked back in with a "I might do it if it's heavily discounted" mindset.

So we start talking about colors and price: they only had 2 colors in stock, none of which interests me. They would only commit to trade one with another dealer if I put 1000 down and sign the papers on the spot - strike one. The sales manager comes in and works out a monthly payment for me. Right away I knew something was wrong, because I'm used to the build and price scenarios on the GM web site, but I'm not totally sure because it's been a long time and the numbers are not fresh in my mind. Anyway, at that point, an alarm bell is ringing in my head - strike two. Then (I'm watching this as if I'm in a movie), he goes: what would it take to get you into this car today... rolleyes.gif and tries every slimy way to make it look like they are giving me the deal of the year, by spreading the payments over a longer period or by-weekly -strike three.

My answer was thank you, but I have to get back to work, I'll give it some though and let you know later today. I then checked the GM price & build tool for the exact same truck, using MRSP, and I end up with a monthly payment less than what they "worked" for me. Un-freaking-believable. I don't even want to talk to them again; I'll try an internet price next time -GAME OVER FELLOWS!

I can get the brand new Santa Fe, Canadian SUV of the year, undiscounted, for cheaper than the Equinox, an almost outdated design. Don't get me wrong: I don't hate the Equinox, but it would take at least a $5000 discount to make it a good deal compared to the Santa Fe. I guess the next step will be to go and actually try the Santa Fe.

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post Mar 8 2013, 08:26 PM
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Hey-You're doing all the right things in considering a new car. It's best to think things out before taking the plunge. Hope you'll post what you think of the Santa Fe.


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