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post Jan 28 2010, 04:22 PM
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QUOTE (Bobzilla @ Jan 28 2010, 01:17 PM) *
i'll have to lose about 20lbs myself to get to that weight!


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post Jan 28 2010, 04:26 PM
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Well that ain't happening ohmy.gif Forget about the whole thing tongue.gif


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i still stand by what i say. if it's for fun, sure go ahead but don't expect to be competitive. the xd platform is too heavy and does not have a good enough chassis and suspension geometry to be competitive (unless you throw *lots* of money at it).

comparing the xd to civics and neons is a no go as well. a stripped and gutted early 90's civic can weight well under 2000lb with a terrific chassis and great front suspension geometry (and don't even go there with the ITR). the neon is in a similar category (particularly the ACR which is a great handler stock). the 1st gen coupes can get down to 2000lb stripped and gutted and it has a freak chassis which handles very well despite econo car roots (forget the 2nd gens unless you are talking SRT-4 and even then it does not have the chassis to really be competitive). there's a reason local tracks are overrun by these cars and they have their own racing series. (honestly, if you find a first gen neon acr in good condition you should buy it strictly for bargain budget racing. i would if i had the garage space!)

you'll have fun and may even be competitive on a local level (if you are a good driver) but it will be very hard to be competitive on a state scale (forget about national level). it's a great goal if you are out to have fun and just decrease lap times.

for all these people quoting hyundai racing teams and such, please. bob is talking about grassroots racing here, not factory backed teams in strict regulation racing circuits. not a valid comparison.

i won't get into drag racing, miatas or dsms, although those are fun topics as well.


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Neons are hampered by the old Street Stock rules. Minimum weight on a SOHC Coupe is 2650. DOHC is 2850. They still use teh same Macstrut suspension the Elantra uses, use a 2.0L (SOHC's see about 140 at the front wheels with an IT prep, DOHC's about 170). Our final drive is closer to the ACR transmission's 3.52 and we have more fender room for wider tires.

IT is a regional class that does not compete nationally. So, yep, it'd be local-ish.

I have an idea, how about you read up and do some research on whta it is I am talking abnout that way you don't sound so....what;s the PC word I'm looking for.... "uninformed". I'm talking about club racing which has strict rules enforcement that follows a lot of the same guidelines the Koni Challenge series has used since the Trans Am days.


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most econoboxes are mac strut suspensions nowadays but this does not make them all equal when it comes to handling. upgrade a cavalier and upgrade a protege with the same suspension packages and see which handles better (both are of similar weight). the neon was a real oddball in how suprisingly well it handled. this is the only reason i mentioned it.

admittedly i'm not up to date on the current IT scca rules. but really besides from a minimum weight and it not being a national standing how far off was i? if you feel that you can work within them and be competitive i don't see what's stopping you. the car can still be made a fun car to drive, i've never denied that. i still think it won't be as competitive as the most popular models. i still think it will be a lot cheaper to buy a prepped car. it will depend on whether you are doing it to race A car or to race THIS car. you're in the same boat as people who decide to FI the elantra.

i don't know why you feel the need to be so .. insulting... to people when you're the one who's asked for opinions. it's not an advocacy thread and it really doesn't make me want to contribute to your threads at all.


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First off, you're mistaken. I;m not asking for opinions. I'm merely venting my final thoughts for this car. Ones that, had you read the OP, would know that will never happen. This car has had it's glory days. But if money were no option, and I had the cash to do so, that is exactly what I would do with the car. Similar weight, similar dimensions and I have already out handled the neons in ST(S) when it was also my auto-x car.

Yes, I know that it's cheaper to buy an already built car. Yes I know it's easier to do so with a "spec" car that everyone else has already ran. I;m an oddball. I enjoy doing things in cars no one else would consider beating those in the "right" cars. The Elantra (and RD/GK) tibs were neer goin to be blisteringly fast in a straight line, but their chassis is perfect when the straight line gets all squiggly. The Swift is already a mildly competitive ITB car, and since it will eventually be converted and prepped.

This was merely an exercise of mental fantasy that was promptly pooped on. Thanks.


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QUOTE (Bobzilla @ Feb 1 2010, 10:59 AM) *
This was merely an exercise of mental fantasy that was promptly pooped on. Thanks.


I've got a mop and some bleach, need to borrow them?

Being a hell of a dreamer myself (Scarlett Johannson is my 14th wife), I understood from the git go and thought it was a good exercise. That said, but when one starts talking cars, racing and mods people are likely to give opinions whether they think you'll want to hear them or not. Guns and guitars are another example of this.


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I forgot, why can't you turbo it?


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Engine has to be in stock for (n/a if n/a, turbo if turbo, etc), mild head work, mild porting, unlimited engine management (ie standalone).


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i didn't think (or want to come across) as pooping on your ideas. i did say that if you really like the platform you should go ahead and it will be a much more fun car to drive. i just didn't think it would be competitive or cheap.

if i came across as dumping on your idea, apologies. just wanted to be realistic about the whole thing (which doesn't always jive with dreaming). my last project car was a similar prospect. ideally it could have been 'competitive' but realistically it would have taken boatloads of money to do. i ended up somewhere in between in the end (but much closer to non competitive than competitive). despite that i still love that car, which was the whole reason i tinkered with it, despite it not being competitive.

i personally would like to see someone go ahead and dump some money into an elantra...


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I'm on board. If your interior is in good shape sell it and help cover the cost of the cage.

I had a car with k oni five ways( dislexic moment I hope u said koni in the first post)and st springs and I love love loved it.

I can't tell you how many times I have wanted to do what you are talking about.

I hope I can un poo your idea.

Its less about competing against the other car and more about competing with your self.

Do it. And if you don't keep dreaming


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