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Posted by: Bobzilla Dec 10 2014, 01:58 PM

http://thekoreancarblog.com/2014/12/10/hyundai-launched-i30-turbo-hot-hatch-delivering-186-hp/

This Body:



With the 1.6 GDI-T and 6-spd manual? Yes. TAKE MY MONEY!

Posted by: RPW00Mirage Dec 10 2014, 02:11 PM

considering hyundai cut millen racing from the global rallycross circuit for 2015, i'm curious if this will replace the veloster in 2-3 years.

the cluster and center stack screams elantra GT while the seats are absolutely re-covered VT as well as the overall dash shape lol

Posted by: Bobzilla Dec 10 2014, 02:17 PM

From what I've learned, this is a Europe market only car in the 2-door version. I guess we're already slated to get the 1.6GDI-T in the next EGT. Whether any of that happens or not... who knows. I just know that 2 dr hatch is hot as hell.

No offense to your Veloster, but this is what should have been built instead!

Posted by: Alex2013GT Dec 10 2014, 07:49 PM

Yes, sure would be nice to get something like this as an option!!!

Posted by: RPW00Mirage Dec 11 2014, 08:03 AM

well they are killing off the veloster in a bunch of countries for 2015 and less for 2016. so it is a strong possibility.

i'll keep my quirky 3 doors and heated seats in the end this is just basically a facelifted EGT with veloster goodies.

Posted by: Bobzilla Dec 11 2014, 09:39 AM

FTFY

Posted by: RPW00Mirage Dec 11 2014, 01:55 PM

LOL

Posted by: trololololo Dec 11 2014, 07:02 PM

and what exactly would you do with this Bob? . . .

Posted by: Bobzilla Dec 12 2014, 08:43 AM

Likely end up getting divorced because I bought another car.

Posted by: Plain Jane Dec 12 2014, 09:55 PM

The Veloster Turbo's the only thing in Hyundai's portfolio that directly competes in the sport compact segment (Si, GTI, MS3, Focus/Fiesta ST, etc.) Dropping that model without finding a suitable replacement may prove to be a mistake. Would this new car be able to fill her boots?

Posted by: slowgls Dec 12 2014, 10:34 PM

No that sounds about right for Hyundai. Get rid of the fun car and add some big luxury car. Thats my biggest gripe with hyundai. They wont make a small, fun car to get the Si, speed3 crowd. I think if they put the genny 2.0t motor with 250whp in the Elantra coup. OMG. It would be a fun car. But they want. They like to kill anything fun.

Posted by: Plain Jane Dec 12 2014, 11:17 PM

Sounds like my ex girlfriend.

Is the GDI 2.0T in the Sonata the same motor? That'd to well in an Elantra. It'd take an MS3 and absolutely humiliate an Si.

Posted by: slowgls Dec 13 2014, 01:06 AM

Yea if the pistons would stay in the block long enough. Lol.

Posted by: Plain Jane Dec 13 2014, 02:00 AM

Call it a stage III weight reduction lol

Posted by: roydjt Dec 13 2014, 12:40 PM

I don't know if they need to. They sell tons of boring old nice grown-up cars. Years ago we were discussing the Hyundai/Kia brand identities, and Kia was slated to be the fun and hip brand, while Hyundai was the nice-looking car my mom would drive. I'd like to see them go after that split. Kia has the Forte Koup, which doesn't get much run but it fills the FWD/4-banger tuner role pretty nicely from a performance and style standpoint. I'd like to see the Rio go away and get replaced by the Cee'd, and maybe they could add a small run of Pro_Cee'd to the market. That's the kind of car that could take the slot that the Veloster currently occupies.

-Roy

Posted by: Plain Jane Dec 13 2014, 03:37 PM

The Forte Koup never had the power to compete with legitimate sport compacts like the Si or WRX, but it would make a decent platform for an attempt. That segment is more than a niche market and should be adequately filled or risk falling further behind rivals like Honda, etc. I think the Veloster was a good try, but maybe it's just not quite there yet. If they could tack on another ~50hp reliably plus a few other perfomance goodies they might have a winner on their hands.

Posted by: trololololo Dec 13 2014, 07:09 PM

the kouo looked nice, but was always the jokr of the crowd... velosters get more respect...
from these local yokel parking lot meets its not so much the power but the style and driver..

the two koup owners i met... one was uberdouchen, the other was a dumb blond ditzophrenic.

i wouldnt drive the xivic just to distance myself from the owners stigma... 8th gen kids are 80% dbags.. even tho i loved driving the mugen kitted one at the dealership... a new exhaust note goes a long way.

i think if a shop makes the necessary goods for the transplant into the elantra.... i might be a future owner of the new style... looks great.

Posted by: Plain Jane Dec 14 2014, 11:14 AM

While it's true, a good aftermarket will certainly help a car's image and popularity with tuners, it shouldn't have to be relied on to make a good car. An Si is already (relatively) fast out of the box, and doesn't necessarily need bolt-ons or anything else to help it along, even though the Honda aftermarket is probably the biggest of all. The Koup couldn't attract the buyers as any other sport compact could and therefore the demand for aftermarket stuff is low. If they could shoehorn a K24 equivalent into the engine bay it may stir up the sales chart and companies will build parts for it out of simple demand. I think it'd make great business for Kia to develop a sport model, as long as they're not lazy about it and pull a Toyota by dropping in a base Camry engine in the Corolla and calling it fun (XRS).

Posted by: trololololo Dec 14 2014, 06:34 PM

xrs had the celica engine. it was the tC that had the base camry 2.4.... nissan put the altima 2.5 in the sentra and it was heckuvalotta fun... even more with the slightly sportier specv (over regular Se-r)...



well the pro'ceed is pretty nice and the trackster concept just might perform better than anything weve ever seen in these shores...

Posted by: Plain Jane Dec 14 2014, 07:46 PM

The 9th gen Corolla XRS had the 2ZZ-GE 1.8, as well as the Matrix and Vibe (fun), but the 10th gen had the 2AZ-FE 2.4 (a dud). I'm not 100% on the American market but that was the excuse they gave us Canadians for a sporty Corolla. The Altima 2.5 was modified to put out the 200hp/180tq in the Sentra SE-R Spec V. It was a good engine let down by a poor chassis. We didn't get Scions here until 2011.

Anyways, all this is rather off topic, so I'll stop right here. I hope they can do something with the Veloster or build up another model, but I feel something needs to be done before it's too late and the market is lost for good.

Posted by: Bobzilla Dec 15 2014, 02:04 PM

I dunno... my Forte does it's fair share of embarassing it's competitors. The Theta has tons mor torque than anything Honda offers in a spot where it's most useful. Sure, it doesn't (stock) rev to the moon or have overpriced "Mugen" parts available, but it's got what it needs. Handling, power and amenities. I/H/E and tune puts it in line with the K20 cars, and slightly behind the K24 cars in HP, and destroys them both in torque and power under the curve.

The new 1.6T Forte will be even better if the aftermarket decides to step up.

Posted by: RPW00Mirage Dec 15 2014, 03:04 PM

YEA BOI THAT TURBO THOUGH


love my turbo...

Posted by: Bobzilla Dec 15 2014, 03:58 PM

I like my "no replacement for displacement". BIG BLOCK BISHES!

Posted by: bhorste Dec 15 2014, 06:23 PM

Bring on that 2.0 from the S2000. Nothing like a production engine pumping out 120bhp/liter.

Posted by: Alex2013GT Dec 15 2014, 09:51 PM

Is that you Ben in that picture?

Honestly at this point there is a good chance a Hyundai will not be my next car. That is a few years away so I have plenty of time to think but definitely looking for something with more performance.

A girl that works in my same building picked up a new STI recently and we've chatted about her car a couple times. I think I soil my pants every morning walking into work. Ohh and the car looks nice too.

Posted by: Plain Jane Dec 15 2014, 11:38 PM

Nothing like a big block 572 to pull the moon out of orbit. Could you shoehorn that into a Kia?

Posted by: roydjt Dec 16 2014, 01:46 AM

I'm sure it could be done. This guy crammed a 10L Russian radial engine into a Goggomobil, which is a 1950's microcar that weighs less than 1000lb and its' wheelbase is shorter than I am tall.


-Roy

Posted by: Bobzilla Dec 16 2014, 08:50 AM

There's no way I'd buy a Subaru for a long term Daily Driver right now. They are just having too many issues with their engines to be reliable. I know 3 different people with popped motors in less than 12k miles on new STi's.

Posted by: Plain Jane Dec 16 2014, 09:15 AM

10.125 @ 220.18. Just goes to show you what man is capable of when there's more money then sense involved lol. VW managed to put their W12 motor in a Golf a few years back, and this English guy put a 27L Spitfire V12 engine in a road car and called it The Beast.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WHp58Ss5GvM

Any chance those premature failures are due to ignoring the break-in period and skipping straight to hoonery? I'd probably blow up a new STi too if I was fortunate enough to own one.

Posted by: Bobzilla Dec 16 2014, 01:49 PM

On two of them, it was motor failure. Both gentlemen in their 40's. Both followed the strict breakin and maintenance schedule. Both denied by SoA as "abuse". Not even an exhaust on either one. Unfortunately, the 2.5's are junk. Much like the older 5-spd manuals were made from paper machete and glass.

Posted by: Plain Jane Dec 16 2014, 06:45 PM

Well that sucks. I guess the more power you run through something, the quicker it'll fail. My '86 Bonnevile 3.8 carb makes 110hp and is as solid as a rock. About as fast too.

Posted by: elantraelite May 1 2015, 09:51 AM

The 3 door is a very sexy car! But you might want the 2.0 GDI in it like the AU i30 SR ... Still faster than the 1.6 T-GDi

Posted by: xdforme22 May 5 2015, 12:28 PM

As a Koup owner, I think you need to go and meet some more, lol. On paper the the Koup (first gen sx) slots right between the Civic and Civic SI coupes (as well as RSX and RSX typeS) but, as Bob pointed out, the engine characteristics are much more desirable (much better torque and curve). The car also ties/beats the Scion TC (depending on where you look) but overall quality wise that car is a mess.

As far as Velosters go, I have no idea why they would get more respect. The only ones that can be considered "quick" are the turbos, and those are within a tenth or two of the Koups specs. Yes, they have more power but Hyundai geared them for economy. If Hyundai really wanted to go after the hot hatches, they should revise the gearing on the 1.6T (at least in R spec) to be more performance oriented.

Posted by: Bobzilla May 6 2015, 07:27 AM

The one big advantage of the Turbo cars is the amount of power from a tune. The 2.4 see's about 11hp and 9ft-lbsof torque with a better redline (7400 over the stock 6700). The 1.6T's see 51hp and 44ft-lbs with a tune only. Add exhaust and intake and its putting down 235hp at the front wheels. AT THE WHEELS. I'd kill for that much power!

Posted by: xdforme22 May 20 2015, 09:18 PM

Mmm, true true. I was thinking stock for stock; once you don't care about warranty/reliability/cost/etc things can get interesting real fast. This disparity made me wonder how the Civic SI responds to a tune. If you don't trust the manufacturers (and I don't), it seems the Hondata reflash is good for about 2 HP 0TQ (per dyno runs before/after from a forum member). At least we get something more than that!

Posted by: RPW00Mirage May 21 2015, 06:54 AM

the 1.6T manuals also get a bump in RPM (7000 to 7200)

i am probably not going to tune my VT. seems just fine the way it is... almost too much for a FWD autox car.