Ethanol concerns bring customers to 'pure' stations, E15 Ethanol coming soon?
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Ethanol concerns bring customers to 'pure' stations, E15 Ethanol coming soon?
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May 16 2012, 08:12 PM
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Elantra Guru Group: Leader Posts: 3,309 Posts Per Day: 0.62 Thanks Received: 558 Trader Stats: 0 (0%) Joined: 12-August 09 From: Clinton, MA (USA) Member No.: 7,533 Mood: Evil |
Granted... this is FoxNews... I thought this was a pretty good article.
Energy in America: Ethanol concerns bring customers to more costly 'pure' gas stations VIDEO IN ORIGINAL FEED York County, Pa. – When looking to fill up your tank, would you drive farther to pay more? Randy Hake's customers are doing just that, since he's the only gas station in York County, Pa., selling "pure" ethanol-free fuel. "I get 20.1 miles to the gallon, in-town driving. I used to get 13," said Sue Cannon who drives 20 miles to Hake's from her home in Hanover, Pa. Studies show straight gasoline gets 2 to 10 percent better gas mileage than fuel made with ethanol, an alcohol produced from corn. It costs about 20 cents more per gallon at the pump, but Cannon says paying more up front is worth it down the road. She started using "pure gas" five weeks ago, after paying $12,000 for repairs on her 2005 Nissan Pathfinder. "I had to change two radiators and two transmissions," said Cannon, who blames the damage on ethanol. Right now, gasoline sold at more than 95 percent of filling stations in the U.S. contains 10 percent ethanol, a blend known as E-10. Ethanol was first added to gasoline 30 years ago. Bob Dinneen, CEO of the Renewable Fuels Association, says it's an American success story, utilizing fuel sources like corn, reducing our dependence on foreign oil and reducing gas prices by $1.09 a gallon in 2011. "Ethanol is an American-made product," Dinneen said. "We are creating jobs here. We are creating economic opportunity here. We are lowering gasoline prices here, as opposed to a pure gasoline that is lining the pockets of regimes in parts of the world that don't like us very much." Now, the ethanol debate is heating up. The ethanol industry petitioned the Environmental Protection Agency to add 5 percent more ethanol to fuel, creating a mix known as E-15. The EPA recently approved it for use in cars made since 2001. Proponents say E-15 will save drivers 5 cents more a gallon and is expected to be available as early as this summer. However, a newly released two-year study suggests millions of cars and light trucks being driven today may not be able to handle the new fuel blend. "Ethanol attracts water, and that can result in corrosion in the system," said Rayola Dougher from the American Petroleum Institute. "We're hitting what they're calling a blend wall, where you're required to use ever greater volumes of ethanol in the gas distribution system but it goes beyond what the cars are being designed for. And this is particularly an issue with E-15." The study, sponsored by the oil industry group and automakers, tested eight engines found in millions of cars currently on U.S. roads. The study found two of the eight malfunctioned and suffered significant damage while fueled by E-15. The U.S. Department of Energy, which tested E-15 on vehicles prior to the EPA's decision, disputes the study, calling it "unreliable and incomplete". The American Petroleum Institute accuses the federal government of the same, and it is suing the EPA to force more research before E-15 becomes available at gas stations this summer. A decision is expected in June. Regardless, Randy Hake says you won't find any corn-based gas products for sale at his filling station. "We need to put it in our stomachs and our animals stomachs, rather than our gas tanks," Hake said. Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/us/2012/05/16/ethan.../#ixzz1v5L4vDx8 -------------------- |
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May 17 2012, 12:41 AM
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Idiot Savant Group: Lifetimer Posts: 9,573 Posts Per Day: 1.41 Thanks Received: 256 Trader Stats: 4 (100%) Joined: 20-September 05 From: Trumpistan Member No.: 1,406 Mood: Uncertain |
Actually it's no good in animals stomachs either. Grass fed beef only thank you, tastes soooo much better and the animal can digest grass like it was designed to... Ethanol lobby, thanks you subsidized greedy bastards.
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May 17 2012, 08:15 PM
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Club Regular Group: Lifetimer Posts: 179 Posts Per Day: 0.04 Thanks Received: 25 Trader Stats: 0 (0%) Joined: 14-November 11 From: Beaverton, OR Member No.: 11,492 Mood: Accomplished |
A list of pure gas dealers in your area http://pure-gas.org/.
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May 17 2012, 08:59 PM
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Elantra Guru Group: Leader Posts: 3,309 Posts Per Day: 0.62 Thanks Received: 558 Trader Stats: 0 (0%) Joined: 12-August 09 From: Clinton, MA (USA) Member No.: 7,533 Mood: Evil |
Nothing in massachusetts still/YET
Manufacturers are going to be pissed with E-15 thats for sure. -------------------- |
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May 17 2012, 09:20 PM
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F.K.A. fsv87 Group: Members Posts: 1,888 Posts Per Day: 0.32 Thanks Received: 189 Trader Stats: 0 (0%) Joined: 25-November 07 From: Miami, FL Member No.: 5,380 Mood: Obnoxious |
I hate ethanol on so many different levels.
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May 17 2012, 09:42 PM
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Amsoil Oil Slinger! Group: Vendor Posts: 382 Posts Per Day: 0.08 Thanks Received: 63 Trader Stats: 4 (100%) Joined: 19-November 11 From: Lake Arrowhead, Ca Member No.: 11,523 Mood: Upset |
I can't wrap my head around why anyone would spend $12,000 to repair a 2005 Pathfinder... Junk it and buy something else with that 12 grand. That being said, I'd buy pure gas if it was available.
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May 17 2012, 10:09 PM
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F.K.A. fsv87 Group: Members Posts: 1,888 Posts Per Day: 0.32 Thanks Received: 189 Trader Stats: 0 (0%) Joined: 25-November 07 From: Miami, FL Member No.: 5,380 Mood: Obnoxious |
Not only did she spend $12k on her old Pathfinder, her transmission and radiator were trashed because of ethanol...
Kind of a stretch, but I still hate that garbage. -------------------- |
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May 17 2012, 10:42 PM
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Amsoil Oil Slinger! Group: Vendor Posts: 382 Posts Per Day: 0.08 Thanks Received: 63 Trader Stats: 4 (100%) Joined: 19-November 11 From: Lake Arrowhead, Ca Member No.: 11,523 Mood: Upset |
hmm seems I read that wrong.. Didn't realize the ethanol had caused the issue with the pathfinder.. interesting. I'd rather suffer in the fuel mileage dept. if that meant the car lasts longer, and costs less to maintain.
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May 18 2012, 01:07 AM
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Idiot Savant Group: Lifetimer Posts: 9,573 Posts Per Day: 1.41 Thanks Received: 256 Trader Stats: 4 (100%) Joined: 20-September 05 From: Trumpistan Member No.: 1,406 Mood: Uncertain |
A list of pure gas dealers in your area http://pure-gas.org/. Ahhh not in mine. I either gotta drive to Lake Havasu, AZ or Redding/Eureka! Not only did she spend $12k on her old Pathfinder, her transmission and radiator were trashed because of ethanol... Curious as to how this might happen... -------------------- To Helena Handbasket! |
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May 18 2012, 01:08 AM
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Club Regular Group: Lifetimer Posts: 67 Posts Per Day: 0.01 Thanks Received: 8 Trader Stats: 0 (0%) Joined: 5-June 08 From: Dirty Jerz Member No.: 6,161 Mood: Accomplished |
I def. think ethanol could cause engine problems in cars not designed for it, but find it very hard to believe it would cause transmission and radiator problems.
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