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ElantraClub - For Elantra Owners and Enthusiasts _ Group Buys _ GonzoSport Removable Rear Strut Tower Bars

Posted by: gonzo777 Jul 7 2007, 12:18 AM

It has begun!

Starting today, 07.07.07, the pre-buy for "GonzoSport" Removable Rear Strut Tower Braces for 01-06 Elantra Hatchbacks begins.

Bar details are available on our website, http://g7innovation.com

http://gonzo777.home.insightbb.com/images/teaser.jpg

We have 11 bars in the works.

10 will be available for sale through this opening ElantraClub presale and 1 bar will be raffled off, with all raffle ticket sales donated to ElantraClub.

Raffle details http://www.elantraclub.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=16622

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::Pricing::
Bar price for the general public is $145 + Shipping

However, current ElantraClub VIP members pay only $125 + shipping.
http://www.elantraclub.com/forum/index.php?act=module&module=subscription&CODE=index

::Shipping & Taxes::
Shipping to US48 will be a flat $8.
Canadians, PM me or email sales@g7innovation.com for a custom shipping quote.
Indiana residents add 6% for sales tax.

::Payment & Terms::

The minumum buy-in for this presale is $30. The remainder of the balance is due when the list of 10 below is full. Full payments will be accepted if you would prefer. You can back out at any time before your bar ships but $30 of your payment is non-refundable. Once the list below is full the remainder of your balance will be expected within 15 days. Your bar will not be shipped if you have not paid in full.

If you send a payment you must agree to the terms posted here.
PayPal to: sales@g7innovation.com
Postal Money orders also accepted. Send PM/Email for address.

::Time::
Presale is open until all 10 spots are filled.
Bars will ship to those fully paid within 30 days from that date.


The list below will be updated as soon as possible after payments are received.

01. NY2002ElantraGT
02. Silent Wolf
03. Cite 3
04. Cobas
05. Saturn
06. hamish_gt
07. Midnightsky
08. flcerberus
09. ewang
10. Doohickie

Posted by: NY2002ElantraGT Jul 7 2007, 12:22 AM

FULL payment sent

Posted by: Silent Wolf Jul 7 2007, 12:24 AM

Full payment sent.

Posted by: Shadow5606 Jul 7 2007, 12:25 AM

Thanks man, you're kind of like Jesus. Except not. Thanks a ton though!!! You're our first customer so I think we need to get you a t-shirt or something...

Posted by: gonzo777 Jul 7 2007, 12:28 AM

Thank you both. Your quick (and full) payments will speed things up a bit. thumbsup.gif

Posted by: NY2002ElantraGT Jul 7 2007, 12:29 AM

YAY! im #1

haha sorry Silent

no prob gonzo, i've been ready to pay for this since the day you first posted your vision! haha

Posted by: Silent Wolf Jul 7 2007, 12:29 AM

My pleasure man.

sarcasitc-bow.gif All hail Gonzo!

Posted by: Shadow5606 Jul 7 2007, 02:06 AM

FYI to all.... The G7 site is UP!!! Gonzo will edit his post tomorrow but you can click through as of now.

Enjoy! smile.gif

(Ah, the post was already edited when I wrote this... That Gonzo, he's quick, like a ninja... )

Posted by: gonzo777 Jul 7 2007, 02:10 AM

and you thought I was sleeping. whistle.gif

Posted by: NY2002ElantraGT Jul 7 2007, 07:30 AM

Site looks great. Those are some nice pictures you have on there!

Posted by: gonzo777 Jul 7 2007, 07:59 AM

Thanks. We're pretty happy with it. LateAPXR did that for us.

We had a big list of nitpicks that ended up keeping him up late last night sorting them out.

Photos of the bar are a mix of production and prototypes. I'm sure you can tell which are which.

Posted by: Shadow5606 Jul 7 2007, 09:46 AM

Yeah, LateAPXR did a great job w/ the site. Plus getting everything finalized last night was one of those moments where you need a rock montage like in Rocky....

Posted by: saturn Jul 7 2007, 12:07 PM

payment sent! #5?

Posted by: gonzo777 Jul 7 2007, 12:28 PM

thumbsup.gif Most assuredly!

sarcasitc-bow.gif Thank you Mr. Saturn. sarcasitc-bow.gif

Posted by: NY2002ElantraGT Jul 7 2007, 03:29 PM

5 more! comon people. anyone with a hatchback should get this!

Posted by: Silent Wolf Jul 9 2007, 12:53 PM

Comeon people, you know you want it. Quit hesitating. wink.gif Only 5 more!

Posted by: saturn Jul 9 2007, 01:52 PM

so are these only being sent out once you get 10 pre-buys?

Posted by: gonzo777 Jul 9 2007, 02:07 PM

Due to the number of individuals that have paid in full....that is no longer financially necessary. B) I can make no promises on how much sooner it will be though.

I can tell you that Bob has seen our "production facility" and the stack of brackets.

Posted by: Bobzilla Jul 9 2007, 02:20 PM

Seen it. Lots of shiny metal pieces.

Posted by: NY2002ElantraGT Jul 9 2007, 02:35 PM

That was a quick 5, but now what about the other 5? do you want to post anything on EXD?

Posted by: gonzo777 Jul 9 2007, 02:45 PM

I'm wondering if people are waiting to hear first-hand reviews, or are concerned about the wait time.

Posted by: abalaev Jul 9 2007, 04:56 PM

Personally, I will have money in 3 weeks. sad.gif and than I am in...

Posted by: Silent Wolf Jul 9 2007, 05:11 PM

So due to the full payments, you can proceed sooner?

Well, can't wait for it. tongue.gif Gonna be the last upgrade to the Elantra for awhile, as tomorrow I should be picking up a a new toy. 676.gif

Posted by: saturn Jul 9 2007, 05:57 PM

I'm kind of hoping on soonish... would like to use mine at the next autocross! (it's the weekend after this next one)

Posted by: gonzo777 Jul 9 2007, 06:17 PM

Here's a realistic timeline:

Funds transfer from PayPal to bank -- 1 week
Order and receive what's still on the "need" list -- 2 business days
Finish the brackets and bars and make sure everything is together and do surface prep -- 1 long day (a.k.a a week I need to schedule off ahead of time)
getting parts anodized -- 1 week (est)
double-checking everything and packing up for shipping -- 1 evening

So basically 3 weeks minimum.

Posted by: NY2002ElantraGT Jul 9 2007, 06:34 PM

so around the first of august. thats not too bad, i really wanted it for Hot Import Nights, but im gonna need the support in august for all the Ponies im addin!

Posted by: saturn Jul 9 2007, 08:15 PM

is there any of us can do to help?

do other forums know of the bar?

Posted by: gonzo777 Jul 9 2007, 10:49 PM

Basically we're not worrying about the 10 any more to get started. It's still going to take the time though, as we said in the first post in this thread. We said "30 days from..." because that's basically the time we need.

Posted by: Shadow5606 Jul 9 2007, 10:54 PM

Hey there guys, not sure how clear Gonzo made it but I'm his partner in all this G7 stuff.

I certainly understand everyone wanting to get their bars. When we posted this group buy with the original terms on the first post we did it specifically to allow time to pay for materials and allow for production time. That's how we came up specifically with the "shipping 30 days from the date that 10 people sign up and pay" line, we knew we would need that time and wanted to make it upfront...

Now, the good news is that because some of you were so generous (thank you!) we'll be able to produce all 10 bars early! (starting now) This will take a little time but the bottom line is that it will be MUCH sooner than it should have been acording to the expectation we set in the original post.

In regards to posting on other forums, that may be a consideration down the line but it won't help anyone who has paid in full get their bars faster because they're already in progress now. We'd like to keep this group buy here on ElantraClub because we think it's a great place and want to do everything we can to support the forum and Mitch. Please help us on that and we'll make sure to get you your bars FAR ahead of the schedule we originally posted.

So to sum up...

--- No one has to worry about 5 more people signing up just to get their bars.
We're ahead of schedule because of you! (thanks again!)

--- No one has to worry about timeframe, you'll actually get your bar way ahead of schedule (yippie!!)

Just PM me with any questions, I'd be happy to help or discuss at any time!

Posted by: oiml8 Jul 9 2007, 11:06 PM

Nice to hear from you again Cliff.

Thanks for supporting the Club and I hope you sell tons of these. I know people will be directing people here to get em.

Great job guys!!!

Posted by: flcerberus Jul 10 2007, 10:49 AM

I intend to buy from you guys but will have to wait until August due to an unplanned trip I have to make. I would be willing to make a deposit towards a bar though if it would be necessary to insure that I get one. Please PM me in order to arrange something.

Posted by: Shadow5606 Jul 10 2007, 02:30 PM

You'd be welcome to sign on now but you certainly don't need to do that to get one. I'd say the presale is more geared for folks ready to pay now and just standing by for the bars. The G7 bars will be available and in stock on a fairly regular basis after this first batch is put through so no worries at all!

Posted by: Bobzilla Jul 10 2007, 02:34 PM

Just thinking out loud here. . . . but have you thought about hitting the 4 local dealers? Offer to put one on display and only bill them as they sell it? just a thought.

Posted by: Bobzilla Jul 10 2007, 04:06 PM

CLIFF! CLEAN OUT YOUR PM'S!!!

Posted by: Shadow5606 Jul 10 2007, 04:18 PM

hey hey now... smile.gif I'm on it...

Posted by: flcerberus Jul 10 2007, 10:13 PM

Partial payment sent

Posted by: gonzo777 Jul 17 2007, 06:32 PM

update2.gif

BIG parts order just arrived yesterday.

I am currently nursing a broken wrist (technically a cracked ulnar styloid process) but I do have next mon/tues scheduled off work to finish these up.

Posted by: Silent Wolf Jul 17 2007, 07:22 PM

Ow. Dont push it too much man. We'd rather have parts without a sacrificed wrist.

Posted by: gonzo777 Jul 18 2007, 06:33 PM

I've been working out the manufacturing process myself, so I think it might be Cliff's turn at the tools with me cracking the whip. B)

Posted by: Shadow5606 Jul 19 2007, 12:01 AM

That "Workin' in a Coal Mine" song just popped into my head...

smile.gif

Posted by: RHINESEL Jul 19 2007, 12:09 AM

scared-yikes1.gif whipme.gif
Shadow Gonzo

Posted by: Silent Wolf Jul 19 2007, 02:11 AM

lollol364.gif

And probably a lot of this going on
baiting.gif punish.gif twak.gif

Posted by: Cite 3 Jul 19 2007, 11:54 PM

cool didn't know i was on the prebuy list...

well rent is due for my check on the 5th... and the wedding put me in the hole.. but the one after that... i'm definitely in.

Posted by: Ishtar Jul 20 2007, 06:29 AM

Eddiemonster,

It's been taken care of by some of us guys in the club.

It's your wedding present!

Posted by: Shadow5606 Jul 20 2007, 08:38 AM

Yup Cite, you're all taken care of!

Posted by: gonzo777 Jul 21 2007, 08:02 PM

hamish_gt added as #7! thumbsup.gif

Posted by: Silent Wolf Jul 22 2007, 10:35 PM

sweet up to 7

Hows progress on the bars??

Posted by: Shadow5606 Jul 22 2007, 11:43 PM

should be off to the anodizer in the next couple of days!

Posted by: gonzo777 Jul 25 2007, 07:09 PM

Cliff spoke a little too soon. blush.gif



We had a slight measurement issue and ALL brackets suffered. angry-bangheadonwall.gif

I placed an order for more bracket material yesterday and it just arrived 90min ago.

I'll be restarting on the brackets tonight though.

Posted by: Cite 3 Jul 25 2007, 10:22 PM

cool site... (wow... that sounds so mid nineties guestbook'ish)


lol.

awesomeness....

Posted by: NY2002ElantraGT Jul 26 2007, 08:23 AM

WOW, sorry to hear Richard. hopefully its not a financial set back

Posted by: gonzo777 Jul 26 2007, 10:31 AM

Not that bad financially (~$100 for 18' of aluminum) but it took me a day to get as far as I did on them, and it happened at the beginning of 2 vacation days I took to get these done. Now we're in a crunch because Cliff has to be out of town for the majority of the next 2 weeks.

FunFunFun! We got started on them last night though and over the next 2 evenings I should be able to get us back to where we started on Monday morning. wacko.gif

Posted by: Shadow5606 Jul 26 2007, 11:55 AM

AND, I should be able to get the hand finishing done before I'm out of town so they'll be off to the anodizer before all that!

Posted by: gonzo777 Jul 29 2007, 10:20 AM

update2.gif

I was up 'till midnight last night, but got us back the roughed-out stage!

I'll be out of town for the next couple days but Cliff should be able to do some finishing work over that time.

Throw in another evening and they'll be ready to go off to the anodizer. Last time that took 'em about a week, but we only had 3 to get done and they had to make a special jig to do the bars.

As we have been, we will continue to let everyone know how things are progressing.

For those anxious jumping0026.gif buyers: Remember that we're still ahead of schedule! B)

And don't forget about http://www.elantraclub.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=16622&hl=

Posted by: saturn Jul 29 2007, 11:37 AM

I hope you guys are done in 2 weeks sad.gif

Posted by: gonzo777 Aug 1 2007, 10:25 PM

update2.gif

flcerberus had to drop from the list due to http://www.elantraclub.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=16973&view=findpost&p=209409 beyond his control.

Cliff got the brackets to the home stretch tonight and tomorrow night I'll be putting the finishing touches on.

Friday I should be dropping them off with the anodizer - Monday at the latest.
I'll be calling them tomorrow to get an ETA but I'm guessing it should take about a week.

saturn ... you may just get your wish, but you know I can make no promises.

Posted by: popeye Aug 1 2007, 10:29 PM

QUOTE (gonzo777 @ Aug 1 2007, 08:25 PM)
update2.gif

flcerberus had to drop from the list due to http://www.elantraclub.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=16973&view=findpost&p=209409 beyond his control.
http://index.php?act=findpost&pid=209665


Should I win the raffle, you can send it to him.

Posted by: Silent Wolf Aug 1 2007, 10:54 PM

Same here
Just donated 7 for raffle entry for flcerberus.

Posted by: gonzo777 Aug 2 2007, 10:54 PM

update2.gif

Burned through all my sanding pads tonight (kept getting the edge caught) before I was even 1/2 way through with the brackets. angry-hitselfonhead.gif

It'll be Monday before I can get 'em to the anodizer. sad.gif

Posted by: saturn Aug 3 2007, 02:29 PM

aww mannn!

gonzo: I have a new address, I PM'd it to you.

Posted by: gonzo777 Aug 3 2007, 02:44 PM

QUOTE (saturn @ Aug 3 2007, 02:29 PM)
gonzo: I have a new address, I PM'd it to you.
http://index.php?act=findpost&pid=209934

Got it. thumbsup.gif wink.gif

Posted by: Midnightsky Aug 3 2007, 07:08 PM

I have also had to drop out of the raffle, paypal has been screwin me around and now i've had to completely change banking information and I refuse to ever use paypal again........and i had hoped to win that raffle sad.gif

Posted by: popeye Aug 3 2007, 08:05 PM

Not sure why people have problems with PP, I've used it for 5 or 6 years now without a hitch.

Are you sure they have been screwing you around or are you a victim of some social engineering scam?

Posted by: Midnightsky Aug 3 2007, 08:08 PM

QUOTE (popeye @ Aug 3 2007, 07:05 PM)
Not sure why people have problems with PP, I've used it for 5 or 6 years now without a hitch.

Are you sure they have been screwing you around or are you a victim of some social engineering scam?
http://index.php?act=findpost&pid=209959


Paypal seems to think they have the right to front money for me when my bank account and credit card failed to go thru. And the company R1Concepts IGNORED me COMPLETELY when i SPECIFICALLY told them to STOP or CANCEL my order or put it on HOLD till i called them back, so ya wtf ever to paypal and wtf ever to R1. R1 got their money so they don't give a rats ass, and paypal, well tough luck for them cause they will NEVER see that money again.

Posted by: Roydjt Aug 3 2007, 09:09 PM

Alrighty then, enough about the struggles with your recent purchases there. This thread is about a new product for sale, let's try to keep it that way.

Thanks.

-Roy

Posted by: Midnightsky Aug 3 2007, 09:10 PM

NP Roy smile.gif i want one myself but will have to wait awhile before i can grab myself one. Great product in the making tho, i will be very happy to buy one in the future.

Posted by: gonzo777 Aug 4 2007, 07:22 PM

Insha'Allah these will get to the anodizer on Monday. B)


Posted by: gonzo777 Aug 6 2007, 11:09 AM

Just got back from the anodizer.

ETC is 10 business days.

Posted by: saturn Aug 6 2007, 11:24 AM

oh man!

Posted by: Shadow5606 Aug 6 2007, 04:38 PM

Sounds great man! I'm out here in Arizona and have been riding around on a motorcycle in the desert for four days. Richard can tell you that insead of spending my last night in town with my wife I spent it in the G7 shop to get the hand finishing done so Gonzo could do the final sanding. smile.gif

Glad things are still trucking along great!

Posted by: Silent Wolf Aug 14 2007, 11:03 AM

ETC?time to completion?

Posted by: saturn Aug 14 2007, 11:34 AM

I was just wondering this today...

Posted by: gonzo777 Aug 14 2007, 11:41 AM

QUOTE (Silent Wolf @ Aug 14 2007, 11:03 AM)
ETC?time to completion?
http://index.php?act=findpost&pid=211818


Estimated
Time to
Completion

Yes.

If they don't call me by Friday I'm going to call them to see where things stand.

Posted by: gonzo777 Aug 17 2007, 01:37 PM

update2.gif

Good News:
The anodizer called and the bars are ready!

Bad News:
I won't be able to pick them up until Monday.

(Had they called me an hour earlier I could have picked them up today. sad.gif )

Posted by: silet Aug 17 2007, 02:43 PM

Aren't you in the central time zone confused-scratchhead3.gif


Sorry, bad joke Doh.gif

Posted by: gonzo777 Aug 17 2007, 02:47 PM

Actually Indy is EST and does DST now. tongue.gif

Posted by: Silent Wolf Aug 19 2007, 09:50 AM

Could i possibly expect to the bar in my hands by next friday, Aug. 24th? Got a meet the next day and would love to have it installed.

Posted by: NY2002ElantraGT Aug 19 2007, 11:16 AM

will i have it by the 1st? cuz thats all i care about now.

Posted by: saturn Aug 19 2007, 12:35 PM

autocross on the weekend of the 25th/26th

NEED BAR. not really but it'd be cool.

Posted by: gonzo777 Aug 19 2007, 01:09 PM

I'll probably have to have Cliff pick them up tomorrow or I'll get them Tues.
Whatever day we get them, the earliest they would get shipped out would be the following day.

I also need to make a few tweaks to the install instructions, but that should be done by the time you get the bars.

I'm at work right now because we have a server down and it's looking like I'll have to rebuild it from scratch tomorrow. sad.gif

Posted by: Midnightsky Aug 19 2007, 01:16 PM

OUCH, nononono not rebuild from scratch ahhhhhhhhh I feel your pain Gonzo sad.gif That sucks

Posted by: NY2002ElantraGT Aug 20 2007, 12:25 AM

did i read correctly? SHIPPING OUT THIS WEEK?

Posted by: gonzo777 Aug 20 2007, 12:38 AM

QUOTE (NY2002ElantraGT @ Aug 20 2007, 12:25 AM)
did i read correctly?  SHIPPING OUT THIS WEEK?
http://index.php?act=findpost&pid=212761

I have been told they are done and waiting for pickup at the anodizer in downtown Indy. We'll get 'em shipped to those who have paid in full ASAP. thumbsup.gif

Posted by: gonzo777 Aug 21 2007, 05:21 PM

Picked everything up today.
Got everything boxed up for those paid in full.
Printed off address list.
Went to DHL shipping center.
They were such bumbling idiots I had to leave.

Sorry guys. They'll have to go out tomorrow. sad.gif

Posted by: NY2002ElantraGT Aug 21 2007, 06:39 PM

booooooooo to DHL... USPS is probably just as bad. i like UPS. cant wait!

Posted by: saturn Aug 21 2007, 07:10 PM

I don't get it...

did they refuse to ship it? or were they just hard to understand and you couldn't take it anymore?

haha

Posted by: gonzo777 Aug 22 2007, 08:00 AM

The place just went up a couple months ago and the guys were idiots.

They thought that because the DHL tubes I packaged in said "DHL Express" that I had to pay for Express shipping service and couldn't send Ground.

Guess what: ALL DHL boxes say express. The difference is when it's an Express envelope.

I just got some shipped. I'll forward the tracking numbers when I get the emails.

NY2002ElantraGT
Silent Wolf
saturn
Cite 3

---

Hamish_gt and Mregt02 -- I'm going to send your out USPS because the forms are easier to fill out. I'm also going to try to trim down a tube to make it under the size limit for their shipping increase. That'll probably be tomorrow.

Posted by: Silent Wolf Aug 22 2007, 08:57 AM

You can just PM us the tracking number wink.gif

So based on locations:
Saturn should get it first
Ny second
Cite 3rd
and me last

Posted by: Bobzilla Aug 22 2007, 09:56 AM

Not necessarily. I ship DHL daily and you's be suprised, sometimes my Cali shipments are there before my NJ shipments.

Posted by: saturn Aug 22 2007, 10:57 AM

california has more jets flying there than NJ, so shipments can be faster because they are dedicated flights, where as NJ probably only has a few coming in and out for the entire day (or shipments from CA have to connect in indiana or kentucky first)

either way, its purely because of logistics, not location.

I ordered shoes LAST NIGHT from zappos.com (san francisco, ca) and they shipped out at 2am - they were on my door step (columbus, oh) at 8am.

Posted by: gonzo777 Aug 22 2007, 03:17 PM

emails w/ tracking #s forwarded

Posted by: saturn Aug 22 2007, 03:58 PM

! you sent mine to my old address! I gave you my new one in a PM on here. any way to correct it without having to get it sent back?

Posted by: gonzo777 Aug 22 2007, 05:52 PM

angry-hitselfonhead.gif I HATE shipping angry-hitselfonhead.gif

BUT... I dug the address up from the PM (thankfully I archive my PMs) and called DHL and it's flagged to be rerouted to the correct address.

thumbsdown.gif for me

thumbsup.gif for DHL

We'll keep an eye on it and make sure it gets to you.

Posted by: saturn Aug 22 2007, 08:55 PM

sweet thanks!

Posted by: gonzo777 Aug 22 2007, 09:00 PM

Sorry saturn - my bad.

Posted by: Cite 3 Aug 22 2007, 10:55 PM

i hate shipping too. by the time i get out of bed and out the house on saturday's... well.... the post office is closed.. lol


anyway.. Bob is right. I can send a letter to DC (20 miles away)
and it'll arrive later than a letter i send to Richmond (90 miles away).. go figure.

Posted by: gonzo777 Aug 23 2007, 10:58 AM

saturn -- DHL shows delivered to your door 2 hours ago.

Posted by: saturn Aug 23 2007, 01:07 PM

it was the door of my old apartment... I got the bar.

edited out comment about missing holes - I didn't see the website yet.

Posted by: gonzo777 Aug 23 2007, 01:21 PM

Holes are missing on purpose.

Since there is no way to adjust the bar, and every car can be somewhat unique I had to make it so you drill those holes yourself during the install.

Did you read the install instructions on our website?

http://g7innovation.com/content/products/gonzosport_install_elantra_1_0.pdf

I do need to update them with some more photos, but the procedure is sound.

Posted by: gonzo777 Aug 23 2007, 02:41 PM

Instructions updated with a few more photos:

http://g7innovation.com/content/products/gonzosport_install_elantra_1_1.pdf

Posted by: saturn Aug 23 2007, 04:50 PM

have you tried this:

have the bar pre-drilled and install it while it's loosely attached to the brackets. then tighten everything up.

I had to do this to get my front strut bar to fit properly.

Posted by: Bobzilla Aug 23 2007, 04:53 PM

I think I can answer this for him. Yes. BUT, because the rear of the hatch flexes so much, unless you get it right the first time, it's a PITA. That's why they left the last hole for the owner to drill. That makes them specific then to each vehicle.

Posted by: gonzo777 Aug 23 2007, 06:09 PM

Bob is correct.

That's the way I had tried it originally, but long story short -- the bar was not reinstallable due to the brackets being moved from flex.

I could have drilled both sides of every bar to match my car, but I'm pretty sure that they would then only fit 1/100 cars.

The front of our cars is a LOT more solid than the rear and there is no way short of 1)welding them in 2)having you drill the hole 3)providing an adjustable bar to make sure the bar is reinstallable every time you remove it.

#1 isn't going to happen
#2 is cost prohibitive
#3 is easy enough to do and takes just a few minutes

Posted by: Bobzilla Aug 23 2007, 07:25 PM

Yay! I got one right!

Posted by: saturn Aug 23 2007, 08:50 PM

not trying to sound like a douche, this is an honest question:

how do all the other rear strut bars for our hatchbacks work without doing the same? (or do they?)

I have no problem drilling, but some people may not have the correct drill bit or even a drill.

Posted by: gonzo777 Aug 24 2007, 07:44 AM

The install instructions have been online since 07.07.07.

How do the other easily removable and reinstallable bars work?


I originally drilled both sets of holes in the bar and larger strut holes in the brackets to allow for 1/8" of variation from car to car.

After a week or so of driving the bar was removable, but when I went to reinstall the holes were 1/8" off.

What happened is that the lateral force of the body overcame the vertical force of the nut and pushed the brackets to their outer limits. The tower tops are angled inward like ramps and under compression the lever point is at the end of the bracket (the hole where the bar mounts) and the brackets slid right up. Under tension, the lever point is mid-bracket (where the bracket mounts to the strut) and at that angle could not be pulled back.

I could only come up with the 3 solutions mentioned above.

If you are unhappy we do offer a refund.

Posted by: Roydjt Aug 24 2007, 08:48 AM

QUOTE (saturn @ Aug 23 2007, 05:50 PM)
how do all the other rear strut bars for our hatchbacks work without doing the same? (or do they?)
http://index.php?act=findpost&pid=213230

IIRC, my Mussa strut tower brace had holes which were slightly elongated, to allow for some play in the fitment. In theory, you want that bar to be as solid as possible, so the smallest bolt size would be best both for structural integrity and for it chassis stiffening properties. Therefore, drilling the hole yourself isn't a bad way to go.

-Roy

Posted by: KeWLKaT Aug 24 2007, 11:00 AM

Huh? My Mussa Bar didn't have elongated holes.

I agree there is some bad designing behind this, sorry.

I don't know if someone who needs this removability is the kind of person who will be apt to measure, and drill into metal on a BRAND NEW PART!

What kind of bolt-on product is this.....

Sorry dude but if I was interested I would totally not purchase it had I known that holes had to be drilled. Why didnt you mark this on the main page? This is false advertising.

Posted by: gonzo777 Aug 24 2007, 11:15 AM

I believe by elongated he means "larger than the bolt you put through it".

I don't see how it's false advertising at all.

The instructions have been available from our product page since the bars went up for sale.

Posted by: Bobzilla Aug 24 2007, 11:30 AM

QUOTE (KeWLKaT @ Aug 24 2007, 11:00 AM)
Huh? My Mussa Bar didn't have elongated holes.

I agree there is some bad designing behind this, sorry.

I don't know if someone who needs this removability is the kind of person who will be apt to measure, and drill into metal on a BRAND NEW PART!

What kind of bolt-on product is this.....

Sorry dude but if I was interested I would totally not purchase it had I known that holes had to be drilled. Why didnt you mark this on the main page? This is false advertising.
http://index.php?act=findpost&pid=213262


Don't you have someone to piss off on EXD? If you can't read instructions whne they are given to you AHEAD of time, before you purchase, you're a moron. Case in point right here.

Posted by: mregt02 Aug 24 2007, 12:21 PM

QUOTE (KeWLKaT @ Aug 24 2007, 12:00 PM)
Huh? My Mussa Bar didn't have elongated holes.

I agree there is some bad designing behind this, sorry.

I don't know if someone who needs this removability is the kind of person who will be apt to measure, and drill into metal on a BRAND NEW PART!

What kind of bolt-on product is this.....

Sorry dude but if I was interested I would totally not purchase it had I known that holes had to be drilled. Why didnt you mark this on the main page? This is false advertising.
http://index.php?act=findpost&pid=213262


You need to take time to read before making your ridiculous comments, you don't like, then don't buy. You don't have to try to put down someone who's making an effort to support our cars for crying out loud.

Posted by: elantragt Aug 24 2007, 12:39 PM

Ok let's try to keep this civil, fair enough?

QUOTE (KeWLKaT @ Aug 24 2007, 12:00 PM)
I agree there is some bad designing behind this, sorry.

I don't know if someone who needs this removability is the kind of person who will be apt to measure, and drill into metal on a BRAND NEW PART!

What kind of bolt-on product is this.....

This is false advertising.
http://index.php?act=findpost&pid=213262

Felix, you have to understand, this is a customized product made by hand. Gonzo and Shadow have gone to great lengths to create the very best product design they can. As far as the drilling, I don't think that's a huge issue. And it certainly is not false advertising as it's clearly stated in the instructions. Saying it's "false advertising" is pretty outrageous and maybe libelous.

Posted by: cobas Aug 24 2007, 01:07 PM

I had actually wondered how those holes were going to line up. If our cars have so much flex, the strut-to-strut distance would vary a lot - it probably changes when you get into the car, with the age of the car, with different offset wheels, if your parking lot isn't flat (mine isn't), etc. I hadn't read the instructions yet either, and I'm not happy to drill holes in metal, but given the options I'd much rather do that than have a strut bar with 'slack' - what would be the point?
BTW, here's photos of the slack in the Mussa bar, note the bolt vs. bolt hole size.
http://www.wam.umd.edu/~cobas/Car/rear_4dr_elantra.sized.jpg
http://www.wam.umd.edu/~cobas/Car/rear_elantra_4dr.sized.jpg

Look, Gonzo offers a GREAT 30-day no-questions-asked satisfaction guarantee if you don't like it, which is a huge deal for someone making a dozen or two bars so far. So if you don't like it you've got nothing to complain about. Please be more thoughtful and don't throw accusations around - we want MORE aftermarket parts suppliers, not fewer.

Gonzo, should there be a note that the car should be on flat ground when the bar is installed? It seems obvious to me but if it makes a difference it might be good to add a line in there.

Posted by: elantragt Aug 24 2007, 01:20 PM

The big-time flex is clearly there in the hatch, a point I made very clear to gonzo when the bar was in the design stages. I bought my Mussa bar when the car was several years old. I went to install it and it simply did not fit. My strut towers had moved out that much! And let me tell you, the rear bar will make a noticeable difference during quick, lane changing type maneuvers. thumbsup.gif

Posted by: oiml8 Aug 24 2007, 02:20 PM

QUOTE
I had actually wondered how those holes were going to line up. If our cars have so much flex, the strut-to-strut distance would vary a lot - it probably changes when you get into the car, with the age of the car, with different offset wheels, if your parking lot isn't flat (mine isn't), etc. I hadn't read the instructions yet either, and I'm not happy to drill holes in metal, but given the options I'd much rather do that than have a strut bar with 'slack' - what would be the point?
BTW, here's photos of the slack in the Mussa bar, note the bolt vs. bolt hole size.
Photo1
Photo2

Look, Gonzo offers a GREAT 30-day no-questions-asked satisfaction guarantee if you don't like it, which is a huge deal for someone making a dozen or two bars so far. So if you don't like it you've got nothing to complain about. Please be more thoughtful and don't throw accusations around - we want MORE aftermarket parts suppliers, not fewer.

Gonzo, should there be a note that the car should be on flat ground when the bar is installed? It seems obvious to me but if it makes a difference it might be good to add a line in there.


owned.gif carrot.gif tongue.gif

Posted by: Silent Wolf Aug 24 2007, 02:37 PM

With points stated above. Drilling the last hole actually makes this easier. Even when i read the instructions i wasn;t really surprised that some drilling would be needed. I mean i have a cordless drill of my own for working on the car.

Posted by: gonzo777 Aug 24 2007, 02:54 PM

QUOTE (cobas @ Aug 24 2007, 01:07 PM)
BTW, here's photos of the slack in the Mussa bar, note the bolt vs. bolt hole size.
http://www.wam.umd.edu/~cobas/Car/rear_4dr_elantra.sized.jpg
http://www.wam.umd.edu/~cobas/Car/rear_elantra_4dr.sized.jpg

http://index.php?act=findpost&pid=213278


...and I'd guess that if you marked positions on install (on a hatch -- not fair on sedan) and checked after a few good corners that it will have moved.
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Ed & NY -- DHL says your bars have been delivered

Posted by: Silent Wolf Aug 24 2007, 09:56 PM

QUOTE (Silent Wolf @ Aug 22 2007, 09:57 AM)
You can just PM us the tracking number wink.gif

So based on locations:
Saturn should get it first
Ny second
Cite 3rd
and me last
http://index.php?act=findpost&pid=213030



Remember what i said earlier Gonzo wink.gif

DHL has had it sitting in Orlando since last night tho signs-grrr.gif

Posted by: NY2002ElantraGT Aug 24 2007, 10:22 PM

Ed & NY -- DHL says your bars have been delivered

http://index.php?act=findpost&pid=213298

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yea i got home from work late today with the box waiting for me!

took everything out and took pics of it spralled out on my carpet.





as for the drilling, i missed the fact we have to drill. completely un aware of that part of the install, i thought it was going to be bolt on. anyway no big deal, i see the point in drilling and would rather drill to have a siffer bar than not.

Posted by: RHINESEL Aug 24 2007, 10:47 PM

QUOTE (KeWLKaT @ Aug 24 2007, 12:00 PM)
I don't know if someone who needs this removability is the kind of person who will be apt to measure, and drill into metal on a BRAND NEW PART!

http://index.php?act=findpost&pid=213262


I think you completely miss the point of it being removable. It's easily removable so that people may use the fuctions of the hatch (large cargo capacity) when needed.

The bar can be easily installed and removed from the brackets allowing for quick conversions.

Posted by: Cite 3 Aug 24 2007, 11:12 PM

OH.. boy do i feel dumb...


i hadn't checked for the install on the site.. LOL


well... guess it's time to go find my dad's drill (trip to woodbridge va.. yay !)


yeah.. if i have to drill a hole or two to make my shaft stiffer than the competition... then let the drilling begin !


anyway..... bar looks awesome... and its pretty stiff.


kind of dissapointed i'm not able to install it tomorrow morning asap....
but i have a good feeling its worth the wait.

Thanks guys !

Posted by: popeye Aug 25 2007, 12:14 AM

^I have a good feeling also that it'll be worth the wait.

At any rate Ed, you're welcome and I hope life is treating you fairly.

Posted by: Shadow5606 Aug 25 2007, 01:57 PM

If it's any consolations folks, Gonzo and I went back & forth on the drilling situation and I tried to play devils advocate. Ultimately the drilling was the only way to have a bar that's both functional and removable. When you look at the pictures of the Musa bar a couple of pages back and see how much wiggle room there is to allow for variation in cars it's pretty obvious the range of possible distances, and that's on a sedan with a non-removable bar! With that much range of movement the bar is not doing it's job. One quick drill hole on a brand new part is a worthwhile trade for a bar that works. We decided that on our own but as Gonzo mentioned, we have a great return policy if anyone feels that's not the right choice. No questions asked.

I even complained to Gonzo about needing to own a drill but ultimately I thought that anyone who's installing an aftermarket suspension part on their own should at least have or have access to a basic drill and pretty average sized bits. You'll need one someday if you plan to do much handy work.

***For those who haven't purchased at all and have commented... You're welcome to do so and this is an open forum but you really don't have any stake in the matter as far as I can see.

Thanks again to our first few customers. If there's ANYTHING at all that Gonzo and I can do for you we've got your backs 100% because a business isn't a business without customers. Just PM either of us if we can help with anything or you just want to discuss. We plan to keep producing the strut bars and other Elantra products so our ears are definitely open for you.

Thanks!

Cliff

Posted by: KeWLKaT Aug 25 2007, 02:45 PM

Well, glad to see I'm not the only MORON (bob you have a temper that's worse than a schoolgirl on a constant PMS, i got something for you: http://kalecoauto.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=7&products_id=22&zenid=a3b0ccdf4f447c796cb4c91e5d726648 ) that didn't read the instructions. And I didn't even purchase it. And I have no intentions whatsoever, so my comments are just here to perhaps look at it from a different angle.

I'm still maintaining my point. It has to be written somewhere at least more obvious. In the pictures you see it already drilled and installed. How is one supposed to know? I don't know for you guys but I never bother to look at instructions on simple products like these. So far I see that EVERYONE that bought it got caught by surprise. Take this for instance. If a company is selling a CAI. In the instructions it says that they have to take the pipe and make the bend themselves because of the frame flex and differences on different cars, etc. So all they send you is 2 pieces of pipe, 3" dia, one 2 foot section, one 1.5 foot section. How is that fair? You would at least think that they would write that on the cover page or something.

Now, you will say this example is unfair? That people don't need to pay to drill a hole? What if the person buying this is one of those mild enthusiasts that live in an appt and don't have a drill, if they can't find anyone for it, this causes another purchase.

If you take, for instance, the TRACTION BARS that FLYRYDE sells. They say it RIGHT IN THE DESCRIPTION that the tabs need to be welded to the car. That, IMO, is how you guys should do it. Just a small note. DRILLING OF A HOLE IS REQUIRED. That's all.

Granted, it's no big deal for us more ''mechanically inclined'' guys, but like I said, it cuts your customer number down by a bit. That picture of the mussa bar that was there was the one for a sedan by the way. Like I said it could be true, I don't remember how mine looked since I put it in a long while ago. You need to admit it. It is a bit more of a pain in the ass to drill holes in a BRAND NEW PRODUCT than to just bolt it on and go.

SPEAKING OF WHICH.....

QUOTE (Gonzo)
After a week or so of driving the bar was removable, but when I went to reinstall the holes were 1/8" off.


Does this mean that new holes would need to be drilled if I used my XD to make a move with heavy equipement that is very likely to cause flex?

Yes, I am critisizing your product. Yes, I am pissing you off. But if no one does this (as you will notice, people on this site never seem to have anything negative to say except for when it's a thread I made muahaha), then these things will go unnoticed and when people from the general public (i.e. don't qualify as the ''clique'' of this site) start buying your stuff and complain, at least I can say that I told you so on a rejected thread when you had just started off.

Look at how companies with real engineers sometimes overlook things and don't notice, and these little things cause their failure as a business (i.e. SR, Alpine, Gude, etc)

Posted by: elantragt Aug 25 2007, 02:53 PM

I have to say that Felix does have a valid point regarding making the fact "some drilling is required" more prominent. Like he says some of the less mechanically inclined among us may be put off by that fact; even though the reason behind the drilling concept is perfectly reasonable.

Posted by: cobas Aug 25 2007, 05:50 PM

We knew we'd be removing interior trim, cutting plastic and carpeting so drilling a hole is not a hassle but just one more hassle than expected, unlike a CAI where I expect it to just bolt on. I'm one of those apartment dwellers who doesn't own a drill, but I'll just borrow one from work like I do other things. :\ It is a little worrisome that if the hatch flexes so much, the distance may change between installations if the bar is supposed to be removable and re-installable. Richard, you guys have tried removing it and re-installing it, how easy/hard is getting the holes to line up the second time? Or how easy is it to pull out the bolt?

Posted by: RHINESEL Aug 25 2007, 10:07 PM

Valid point indeed.

But if your just removing it to transport a big TV and then reinstalling it I don't think it will be an issue.

If your removing it for weeks at a time it's definitly a concearn.

Posted by: saturn Aug 25 2007, 10:22 PM

so just to be clear, let's say I drill the hole and install it. the next day I remove my bar and leave it off for 3 days while I move to a new place... then what? will I be unable to install the bar I just paid over $100 and had to drill myself? also let's say this is after 90 days ... will I be able to return the bar if it stops fitting in my car?

I mean... basically... what's the guarantee that this bar will always be removable?

and who reads instructions for a product they don't even physically have yet? I had forgotten that they were on the website - I expected a printout to be included with the bar.

Posted by: Shadow5606 Aug 26 2007, 12:27 AM

ok folks, I'm in complete agreement about making it more clear on the G7 site that a hole needs to be drilled. I'm making a personal offer, Gonzo is out of town so this is strictly an out of pocket, personal offer on my part.... For those who have purchased as part of the group buy, if you are upset about this hole that needs to be drilled then PM me and return the bar. G7 will give a 100% refund and I personally will refund you 10% back in addition to your purchase price. That's 110% back.

The G7 site will soon be updated to make it more clear that a hole needs to be drilled.

Let's please end discussion of that, the site will be updated and if you OWN a G7 bar and are upset about drilling or do not own a drill then contact me for your 110% refund. Period.

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Kewlkat - if you're genuinely interested in helping us make a better product for the community then I'd be happy to hear your ideas in a PM or If you'd like you'd be welcome to call me on the phone and discuss product improvements, just PM me to exchange numbers. If you'd like to argue with Bob then do it off this thread.
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Now, in regards to long term removal of the bar and chassis flex I'll let Gonzo respond to this. He's out of town and will be back tomorrow (Sunday) night. The G7 bar has been in his car for a year or so and I know it's come in and out many times so I'm sure Gonzo will have some better detail than I do.

Posted by: gonzo777 Aug 26 2007, 10:45 PM

I'll agree on the point about more prominent notice of drilling, though drilling is a tad more common than welding.

Kewl -- that quote was about the problem I encountered and fixed back in march when I made http://www.elantraclub.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=6709&view=findpost&p=186388 and had decided on drilling as the best option.

Moving something heavy will not cause the problem.

One of the reasons it has taken this long is testing, testing, testing.

I have no problems reinstalling after any length of time I've had it off and see no reason for anyone to have any issues. No problems lining up holes. No issues with bolt removal or insertion.

.

Posted by: NY2002ElantraGT Aug 26 2007, 11:48 PM

Glad to hear...... this did take such a long time to develop and design, but im glad you took your time and did it right. im gonna try and install mine tomorrow.... wish me luck! anyone got theirs on yet?

Posted by: KeWLKaT Aug 27 2007, 12:20 AM

Cool, cool!

I guess I'll wait and see what the guinea pigs say and the day where my strut bar rusts out i'll buy yours smile.gif

Posted by: NY2002ElantraGT Aug 27 2007, 01:29 AM

where are the instructions for the install? cant find them on the website

Posted by: elantragt Aug 27 2007, 01:58 AM

Never fear... Mitch is here tongue.gif ...

http://www.g7innovation.com/content/products/gonzosport_install_elantra_1_1.pdf

Posted by: NY2002ElantraGT Aug 27 2007, 02:25 AM

Thanks for being an insomniac like me Mitch

Posted by: Silent Wolf Aug 28 2007, 07:17 PM

Well install is fairly straight forward, but hit a snag and currently working it out.

Posted by: KeWLKaT Aug 28 2007, 09:03 PM

comon guys get this thing in already!

Posted by: NY2002ElantraGT Aug 28 2007, 10:09 PM

was gonna do it today along with my new struts and springs, but the struts were delayed. so everything is going in thursday

Posted by: gonzo777 Aug 28 2007, 11:11 PM

Looks like our shipping department (that's me, until I fire myself and promote Cliff - i.e. he stops riding his bike long enough to get his car running again) has made a couple errors:

NY2002ElantraGT, Silent Wolf, saturn, and Cite 3 are missing 2 washers for bracket install. Not a MAJOR deal, but they do help with the install by preventing the bar from going out of alignment when you tighten the bolts.

Silent Wolf got 2 passenger side bars
Cite 3 got 2 drivers side bars. (? PM says passenger side?)

If we look at NY's photo (below) drivers side is left.
The big notch faces the REAR of the car.



Brackets (and washers) for Silent Wolf and Cite will be sent out tomorrow overnight as long as we can confirm what side bracket you need.

Washers for NY2002ElantraGT and saturn will go out tomorrow.

Monies for return shipping have been sent via PayPal to Silent Wolf.
Monies will be sent to Cite 3 as soon as he sends me info on his PayPal account (or I will send a Money Order, however it needs to be done.)

I'm sorry guys. You kept asking me to get them to you as quickly as I could and I guess a few details got overlooked in the rush. sad.gif

Cobas, hamish_gt, and mregt02 -- your contents should be OK.

Posted by: NY2002ElantraGT Aug 28 2007, 11:33 PM

im going to be purchasing another one this week or next week for a friend of mine who is not a member of the site. (not an internet person) i bought him a tib swaybar, he's buying my springs, i got him the tib kyb struts, and now he wants the bar after seeing it. i'll let you know.

so Gonzo, will i have the washers thursday am? should i wait for them? planned on installing this thursday while th seats and speaker cover were out for my new struts and spring install

Posted by: gonzo777 Aug 28 2007, 11:52 PM

PM sent to NY.

Basically, no need to wait but if you don't get them in time it'd be best to throw in some substitutes.

Posted by: Silent Wolf Aug 29 2007, 12:12 AM

Well since i have the Passenger side bracket mounted then im certain its the driver's side that i need wink.gif

Posted by: gonzo777 Aug 29 2007, 12:16 AM

Gotcha. I'll send it out as early and as quickly as I can manage tomorrow,

Thx for the quick reply!

Posted by: gonzo777 Aug 29 2007, 08:09 AM

Replacement drivers side bracket for Silent Wolf has been shipped.

Should be there by 3PM tomorrow.

Posted by: Silent Wolf Aug 31 2007, 01:46 PM

Got it. And its installed! Pics will be up shortly.

Posted by: Silent Wolf Aug 31 2007, 05:00 PM

Pics and such here
http://www.elantraclub.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=17445

Posted by: NY2002ElantraGT Aug 31 2007, 09:28 PM

i installed mine yesterday! i'll have pics up soon. i havent been home in a couple days. i tested it out 5 minutes after the install and smiled more than i have in a while. took about 30-40 minutes. drilling was easy, like silent said, hardest part was finding a drill bit at my friends house that was clean enough to read the size.

i've never driven so fast around on/off ramps on the highway. i did clove turns for like 20 minutes straight on my way to work!

Posted by: gonzo777 Oct 4 2007, 08:04 PM

List updated. Only 2 spots left for the pre/group buy!

Posted by: ewang Oct 4 2007, 11:15 PM

Put me in for one...
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money and PM sent

Posted by: gonzo777 Oct 5 2007, 09:58 AM

Luckily for you I keep one in my trunk ready to ship. biggrin.gif


Thanks ewang, Midnightsky and flcerberus!!


ONE LEFT for the group buy!!

Posted by: gonzo777 Oct 18 2007, 11:53 AM

The Pre/Group buy is DONE!

Much thanks everyone. sarcasitc-bow.gif

G7 is currently making plans to have a new batch ready to ship before Christmahannakwanza, so make sure you have us on your list. wink.gif

Posted by: Silent Wolf Oct 18 2007, 12:00 PM

Sweet. not that i need another one tongue.gif Congrats Gonzo.

So did it sell better or worse than you expected?

Posted by: Cite 3 Oct 18 2007, 12:07 PM

Chrismahannakwanzaakah should be a good time to sell these...

Gonz, did you advertise on any other hyundai websites?

Posted by: gonzo777 Oct 18 2007, 12:22 PM

QUOTE (Silent Wolf @ Oct 18 2007, 01:00 PM)
So did it sell better or worse than you expected?
http://index.php?act=findpost&pid=223201

I didn't know what to expect, but I thought they might go just a little faster. That's OK though -- I've been pretty busy otherwise.
QUOTE (Cite 3 @ Oct 18 2007, 01:07 PM)
Gonz, did you advertise on any other hyundai websites?
http://index.php?act=findpost&pid=223204

Nope. Just here. The idea started here for me, so we started selling them here.

Once we have more on hand we'll make them available from our website and maybe eBay some and probably go to some local dealerships.

We also have plans to branch out into Tibs and Spectras.

Posted by: Cite 3 Oct 18 2007, 01:47 PM

sweet...

Posted by: Levonida0103 Oct 18 2007, 10:58 PM

let me know when they're in again i'll buy it and maybe some one from here could help me install it, if not I guess i'll ge s shop to do it.

Posted by: Silent Wolf Oct 18 2007, 11:09 PM

Seriously, if you have a drill and socket wrench, its easy. Not as hard as some tried to make it out to be.

Posted by: Levonida0103 Oct 18 2007, 11:45 PM

easy for you to say yours is installed tongue.gif , seriously i wouldn't want to screw around with the car, me doing it , something will go wrong

Posted by: Silent Wolf Oct 19 2007, 12:16 AM

QUOTE (Levonida0103 @ Oct 19 2007, 12:45 AM)
easy for you to say yours is installed tongue.gif , seriously i wouldn't want to screw around with the car, me doing it , something will go wrong
http://index.php?act=findpost&pid=223325

And i was the one to install mine. wink.gif Really is nothing to screw up. But that fear of messing something up will actually help you do the right things and follow the instructions. The trimming required of the side peices was actually the hardest. Used wire clippers and exacto knife on the plastic. Its some tough shit!

Posted by: Cite 3 Oct 19 2007, 09:56 AM

you wouldn't be messing with the car... just the bar.

install was easy except i didn't have a deeper socket ratchet at first...

and i wasn't able to install it that day

Posted by: KeWLKaT Nov 24 2007, 04:01 PM

So except for the 5 initial buyers, anyone bought this yet? lol

Posted by: Silent Wolf Nov 24 2007, 05:17 PM

He's sold all ten initial bars.

Posted by: Doohickie Nov 24 2007, 05:22 PM

I just got mine in last week. Took about an hour and a half to install.... I couldn't figure out how the pattern was supposed to work so I just winged it. I used tin snips on the trim; very easy. It's not the kind of mod that jumps out at me like the rear sway bar, or even the front strut bar. It's a more subtle difference than either of those. But one thing for sure I don't hear any creaks out of my rear hatch area anymore!




Posted by: oiml8 Nov 24 2007, 11:13 PM

I'm going to close this thread. Please start a new thread under vendor review or product review.

Thanks

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