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Posted by: bhorste Oct 10 2013, 03:49 PM

So after getting the wife's car back on the road, she went and put gas in it. Now when she has a full tank, I can smell gasoline in the garage. It also started throwing code P0441. Would the purge valve cause me to smell gas, or is it a leak in the top of the tank somewhere?

Posted by: slowgls Oct 10 2013, 04:00 PM

Yep sounds like a over fill.

Posted by: bhorste Oct 10 2013, 04:02 PM

But she never tops it off. She stops when the pump stops. Guess I'll have to look into how to pull *that* apart as well. Sigh...

Posted by: RPW00Mirage Oct 10 2013, 07:21 PM

check the cap, clear the code, and wait for it to come back on.


then worry about it.


but from what i can read, it may be the " emission system purge flow check valve" or "EVAP Purge Control Solenoid Valve" and will be under $100, and only a few minutes to fix. it's on the firewall or by the throttlebody most likely .


you can also spray down all the emissions vac lines with soapy water and check for leaks.

http://www.1aauto.com/1A/PurgeVentEvaporative/Kia/Rio/1AZMX00098/579812-2008?utm_campaign=gb_csv_br&utm_content=ZMX&gclid=CIyep7PBjboCFYmf4Aod8Q8A2w

Posted by: Red Elantra GT Oct 10 2013, 09:46 PM

Hey-You mean "smells" like a over fill. Sorry. Couldn't resist.

Posted by: slowgls Oct 10 2013, 10:13 PM

Hehehe, well that too!

Posted by: bhorste Oct 11 2013, 07:48 AM

Did that. It came back on. Looks like it's under the car I go. Hopefully I can find this valve easily... kiatechinfo.com doesn't have nearly the nice pictures that hyundaitechinfo.com does.

Posted by: Vinnie Oct 11 2013, 08:54 AM

Above the car you go... hopefully

PCSV - The valve is actuated by the purge control signal from the ECM and controls fuel vapor from the EVAP Can to the intake manifold.

Posted by: bhorste Oct 11 2013, 10:55 AM

Where did you find that wonderful pic? The Kia site didn't have that one... unless I'm very much a doof (which I also wouldn't rule out).

Posted by: Vinnie Oct 11 2013, 11:22 AM

Alldata

I have coverage of all makes and models 1960 to 2010

Posted by: bhorste Oct 11 2013, 12:03 PM

And now it makes sense. Something I will have to take a look at when the wife gets home from work. Hoping I can do an oil filter change/brake slide pin change while the baby's down and the 4yo is at preschool. Wishful thinking, right?

Posted by: Bobzilla Oct 11 2013, 12:42 PM

You do know about the Kia service site too, right? It's just like HMAService but for Kia.

Posted by: bhorste Oct 11 2013, 12:46 PM

See my quote above. Yes, I do know about it. Their pictures with locations of parts aren't nearly as comprehensive as alldata.

So tonight, I guess it's purge valve on the Rio, oil filter and brake slide pins on the Elantra. Fun on a bun!

Posted by: Bobzilla Oct 11 2013, 12:51 PM

Once you get into the newer Hyundai based stuff the pictures get a lot better. The old Kia pics sucked. I remembered the slow changover on the parts catalogs through then.

Posted by: bhorste Dec 5 2013, 07:13 PM

Still troubleshooting this problem. I've checked the canister and the valve and they appear okay. I've got good suction from the purge valve to the canister. Looking for a fuel leak in the tank, and about the only thing I can see that might be leaking is the hose that runs from the filler neck to the tank. I don't see any cracks or holes around the neck or anywhere else up high.

Would a bad carbon canister cause a gas leak back at the tank?

Vinnie, can you work your alldata magic again, perhaps?

Posted by: bhorste Aug 14 2014, 04:02 PM

So I'm finally finding some time to really work on this, and I'm trying to pull the filler hose. It's got about 1.5" of each of the filler neck and the nipple on the tank stuck in either end and the ends won't budge. I've already broken off the clamps (the adjustment screws were more solidly rusted than ol' P'Blaster could loosen), but I'm not worried about the hose magically just falling off. Anybody have a helpful suggestion on how to get the hose out of there?

Posted by: trololololo Aug 14 2014, 08:59 PM

are sure cap was good? i would read those codes all day long in summer months whe. i worked at Advance and 9/10 it was them not clicking the cap on right...


can u unstrap tank to lower it an inch or two? (how is fuel pump mounted?, might not wanna drop tank if its bolted to car and tank)

Posted by: bhorste Aug 14 2014, 09:02 PM

Yeah, since it's brand new. The wife left it somewhere, so I had to go get another one. Considering I've found gas on the ground under it after she's filled up, pretty sure.



Possibly, but that looks like it might be a giant PIA.